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50NL-Todays Debacle? 50NL-Todays Debacle?

03-25-2008 , 12:24 PM
No history with Villian-have not seen any agg. up to this point
Villian 20/9/1.3/130

I am suppose to push-not too sure why I didn't. I am looking at his AF, and I think he would want to get it in with 78 on flop. He could of easily played Q8 this way. I felt like he was full JT-T9-TT-JJ?

I was multitabling and I don't think that I really gave it much thought. Looking back, seems like bad mistake.
Flame Away.

Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP2: $55.80
CO: $9.25
BTN: $29.40
Hero (SB): $67.80
BB: $56.15
UTG: $114.75
UTG+1: $19.70
UTG+2: $61.40
MP1: $63.20

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with K Q
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.50, 4 folds, BTN calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.25, BB checks

Flop: ($2.00) J T 9 (4 players)
Hero bets $2, BB raises to $4, UTG+1 folds, BTN folds, Hero raises to $10, BB calls $6

Turn: ($22.00) T (2 players)
Hero bets $15, BB raises to $30, Hero folds
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03-25-2008 , 12:29 PM
I would c/c the turn. Pretty close either way here.
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03-25-2008 , 12:32 PM
Yeah, a tough nut. JT, T9 is your worst enemy and KQ/87 are possible on the bright side. AJ would probably not play turn like that.

QT could also play flop like that, and turn as well.

Range ignoring suits is IMO
(KQ) (possible, but no raise pf)
QT
JT
T9
(99) (less likely, since I would expect a raise pf)
87

Such a cointoss + pot odds combination that I would probably end up pushing and regretting.

That is for as played.

I would have raised preflop to 2.5$ - 3$. KQo is not a hand that I like to play postflop OOP for deep stacks.

Last edited by LarryLaughs; 03-25-2008 at 12:35 PM. Reason: Added possible preflop play
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03-25-2008 , 01:08 PM
*Take money, light on fire*

On a more serious note, that turn card sucks as it boats his most likely 2-pair hands. That being said, there are way too many hands we beat (other straights, QT, KT maybe?), so I get it in, but not happily.
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03-25-2008 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
I would c/c the turn. Pretty close either way here.
Don't we do better in the long run if we just get it all in on the turn, because if we c/c turn, he can bet, but chk back on river? If you c/c turn, are you leading on river or c/c here also?
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03-25-2008 , 04:14 PM
3-bet more on flop.
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03-25-2008 , 05:46 PM
Min raised both streets....ugh. I think I probably would have c/c turn and river. As played....I don't know....we have committed $25 of our $67....but I really see us playing for a chop at best here. Most of the hands we beat that min raise flop now have us crushed. I don't see 87 min raising turn.
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03-25-2008 , 06:11 PM
I'd shove the turn and hate myself later.

If you c/c turn and river, it's basically the equivalent of getting your stack in the pot anyways since properly sized bets will do that to you. That's a passive way to give up your stack. If this guy blows ass at bet sizing and doesn't bet enough, then you might be able to get away with going broke if you're beat.

I probably raise more on the flop and get it in on the turn.
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03-25-2008 , 06:36 PM
IMO looking at the hands he might have that got him to raise you on the flop are KQ, JJ,TT,99,87,JT,T9, and J9. After that turn card you are only ahead of 87 and J9.

I check the turn and see how much his bet would cost, but it looks like a fold to me if he bets.
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03-26-2008 , 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
I'd shove the turn and hate myself later.

If you c/c turn and river, it's basically the equivalent of getting your stack in the pot anyways since properly sized bets will do that to you.
True, but without the information of knowing that he minraised the turn when you lead you don't know he'll bet both turn and river here.
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03-26-2008 , 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by LarryLaughs
I would have raised preflop to 2.5$ - 3$. KQo is not a hand that I like to play postflop OOP for deep stacks.
wat?

As for the hand, 3 bet the flop bigger.

As played shove turn, for value.
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03-26-2008 , 01:18 AM
I've read the responses now and I have a question:

Why do you advocate a check call on the turn? Is there a particular river you'd like to see or are you planning to just c/c any river too?

The guy is the big blind, is it really inconceivable that he's min raising KT/QT/T8 on the flop?

His range here is much wider than you believe. It isn't only JT/T9/99. I can see AA-QQ trying to get tricky, among other stuff.
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03-26-2008 , 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by nickcee
Don't we do better in the long run if we just get it all in on the turn, because if we c/c turn, he can bet, but chk back on river? If you c/c turn, are you leading on river or c/c here also?
you can probably c/f river if he bets again

Last edited by CalledDownLight; 03-26-2008 at 02:19 AM. Reason: and I'm a huge station
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03-26-2008 , 02:51 AM
Maybe this is a little FPS by me but, I think I like checking on the flop.

We can call PSBs all the way thru fairly comfortably when the board pairs and when it doesnt, we can play for stacks on turn (if he lets us).

As played, if you are going to lean out on turn when that Ten spikes... you should probably be prepared to go to the felt.
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