pre raiser is 46/34/2, CO is 29/10/3

no real reads on them

i' have to call here even though i'm usually behind?


Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 358445
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MP: $64.70
CO: $97.75
BTN: $50.00
Hero (SB): $50.00
BB: $74.65
UTG: $126.75

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with K T
UTG raises to $1.50, 1 fold, CO calls $1.50, BTN calls $1.50, Hero raises to $8, 1 fold, UTG calls $6.50, CO calls $6.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($26.00) K K 3 (3 players)
Hero bets $15, UTG raises to $68, CO raises to $89.75 all in Hero is commited but behind?

yep, you are committed. Please never fold in this spot 100BB deep. An easy fold if you're deeper, my love

Ugh that's sick, CO has just 3bet the flop with absolutely no FE, I'm really not liking my hand at all. You're getting enough equity though to put in the remaining $27

I agree but I do think people ship QQ-TT also in due the fact that KKx blocks AK

don't squeeze KTo preflop?

if you want to put your money in with 3 outs, why not..

If he knows he has 3 outs here it's an autocall...............

You're only committed if you have to call in the worst case scenario. You have 13% equity if you're behind and you need 16-17% to call.

People shipping TT-QQ when they're 200bb deep with each other?

Sounds unlikely.

yer no one ever takes that line with tt-qq

You only have 13% equity if UTG decides to bluff TT there and CO ships a better K, and that's just not that likely. Against their RANGES, you have enough to call

why do we have to call this? we have less than 1/2 our stack in and we are drawing to 3 outs.
we need about 13% equity which is over 5/1 pot odds and we are only getting 4.7/1(somebody can recheck that i did it fast)

Come up with a range and pokerstove it, that should answer your question

One has AK-KJ or 33. We are drawing to 3 tens.

Ok, say that is CO's range, what range does UTG have here?

Why do we cbet this board? Just check and let the fish bluf his stack away. This is a std spot where we only are getting called by hands who have us crushed.

thats both their ranges. if utg raises AA or any hand here thats not a K with near top kicker hes a ******.

I disagree that UTG's range is as tight as that, and CO is a fish. That's just too tight of a range for both players to have IMO

Maybe, it just seems like its impossible for either of them to be raising that flop without AK,KQ,KJ or 33, 200BB's deep.

edit: Just mesing with pokerstove it seems that even if they are shoving worse K's here some of the time we still only have 15.5% equity which still isnt enough. You havnt taken into account the rake either on this pot, which means you;ll need slightly more equity to call profitably.

Are you on crack?

I don't think CO ever ships lighter than KJ if he is somewhat sane.

Funny fact: either one of these guys has 33 or he's a ******, ducy?

not neccesarily

Ok did the calcs to call:

27 behind

Pot size = 152 after we c-bet and 2 shoves and we call
Final pot size = Flop pot size + our c-bet + UTG shove + CO shove + our call
26 + 15 + (50-8) + (50-8) + (50-15-8) = 152

Equity needed to break-even = Price to call / Final pot-size
(50-15-8) / (162+(50-15-8)) = 27/152 = 17.7%

A fairly reasonable stove:

Board: Ks Kc 3d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 15.199% 11.96% 03.24% 2592 702.00 { KhTc }
Hand 1: 16.362% 13.12% 03.24% 2844 702.00 { AKs, KQs, AKo, KQo }
Hand 2: 68.439% 68.44% 00.00% 14832 0.00 { 33, KTs+, KTo+ }

So, meh

I probably would fold

thanks guys, some really good info

btw UTG had 33, and CO KQo