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10-24-2009 , 01:54 PM
VILLAIN IS 23/17/ af 25 / SB steal 53% / 284 hands

i checked the turn for deception even with the risk of giving a free cards for the flush. i shoved the river for value. what do you think?


SB: $50.25
Hero (BB): $51.89
UTG: $64.02
MP: $73.50
CO: $78.02
BTN: $60.41

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with J A
4 folds, SB raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($3.00) 7 3 A (2 players)
SB bets $2.00, Hero raises to $7, SB calls $5

Turn: ($17.00) 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($17.00) 3 (2 players)
SB bets $9.00, Hero raises to $42.89, SB calls $32.75 all in
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10-24-2009 , 02:09 PM
Is his AF really 25?

Do you think he stacks off with worse than AJ on flop? if not I dont like raising flop.

Bet turn

as played Id flat river, I dont think he calls a raise with worse
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10-24-2009 , 02:27 PM
I'm raising pre for value.

What did he have, A8?

I'd probably just call 3 streets and bet any time he checks it. If you got some kind of dynamic w/ this guy wherein either he or you've been bluffing then I think flop is an easy/good raise & get it in. I'd bet turn though because checking, to me, looks too much like you've got some value (which if he has a marginal hand, even "some" value scares him). If you're repping the bluff with this hand, the best way to do it is to bet turn, and that's also the easiest way to get value from the bulk of villains range (flush draws, him putting you on flush draws etc.). River as played seems like the only way to go. He could be v-bet/confused calling any ace.
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10-24-2009 , 02:27 PM
Raise is fine if he is full of spew. Yeah there is a flush draw/straight draw on the flop but his range is so wide that raising here lets him easily fold is weakhands/air.
Call and let him bluff the turn + keep his weaker aces,pocket pairs,7x in the hand and VB the turn/river.

I just call the river. Really only hand that you beat which might call is AT/A9 and if he is that much of a station might as well bet the turn.
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10-24-2009 , 02:29 PM
i would've called flop to let him fire the turn again...then i would've bet turn if he checked.

the river raise is just valuetowning yourself...what do you want him to call wiht? AT?
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10-24-2009 , 02:36 PM
i dont get this line seriously wtf?
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10-24-2009 , 02:37 PM
You played the hand well right up to the river. I flat the river and check the turn like you did for pot control.
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10-24-2009 , 03:15 PM
I would 3b this prflp, and prolly start light 3betting any decent hand. You have position and a 50% steal from sb is exploitable in my mind. As played I'm flatting river--in your own words you checked turn for pot control, which if you do you're generally not raising river unless you improve. I don't see the shove +EV unless this guy is spewy and has exactly Ax that you can beat. He could really have any two there based on his steal %...
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10-24-2009 , 03:36 PM
Yeah don't ever 3-bet AJs pre-flop against this villain. He is raising any A from the SB and you dominate most of them. Feel free to 3-bet A2o, not AJs. Too much post-flop value to turn it into a bluff.

I don't like your post-flop line since it overplays your hand a bit. You are likely to scare off worse hands and only get called by better.

Flop: I don't hate the flop raise. I think I'd make it a bit smaller though, maybe 6 $. Villain is raising any A pre-flop and it's tough to fold a pair of aces BvB.

Turn: As played, bet 12 $ for value.

River: Turn bet should leave us with close to a pot sized bet on the river. Fantastic river card obv. AJ seems like a borderline shoving hand to me. AQ I would shovel for sure. I don't hate shoving AJ, but I wouldn't feel too confident we are ahead when he calls.

I think this line has a better chance to get called by worse.
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10-24-2009 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Bombardir
Yeah don't ever 3-bet AJs pre-flop against this villain. He is raising any A from the SB and you dominate most of them. Feel free to 3-bet A2o, not AJs. Too much post-flop value to turn it into a bluff.
You don't 3bet as a bluff, you 3bet for value.
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10-24-2009 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeGotNuts
You don't 3bet as a bluff, you 3bet for value.
He is never calling a 3-bet with a worse ace and if he 4-bets we have to fold. Therefore you are bluffing.

You can raise for value against a fish, but this villain seems like a competent player.
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10-24-2009 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Bombardir
He is never calling a 3-bet with a worse ace and if he 4-bets we have to fold. Therefore you are bluffing.

You can raise for value against a fish, but this villain seems like a competent player.
Nah these are terrible assumptions. If this guy is folding as good as AT to a 3bet but betting from the SB 50% then it's profitable to bet any two cards as a bluff here. True, if in fact he is folding worse then it's better to call with AJ, but I think this is an unprofitable assumption to make.
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10-24-2009 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ScottyShuffle
You played the hand well right up to the river. I flat the river and check the turn like you did for pot control.
i dont understand why you would want to pot control after raising the flop.

+1 to all those taking the c/c and bet when checked to line.

also i call and not 3b but thats cause im nitty; and as others have said our 3b will fold out the hands that we dominate
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10-24-2009 , 05:30 PM
raising the river is the worst part of this imo.
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10-24-2009 , 05:54 PM
thanks guys
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