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02-01-2010 , 07:54 PM
Villain is ABC 19/14
3bet of 9% (Mostly 3betting out of the blinds)
Fold to 3bet 0/2 over 130 hands


Full Tilt Poker $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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BTN: $28.15
SB: $50.00
BB: $22.45
Hero (UTG): $50.00
MP: $164.70
CO: $50.70

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with Q Q
Hero raises to $1.75, 1 fold, CO raises to $6, 3 folds, Hero raises to $15.50, CO calls $9.50

Flop: ($31.75) 3 5 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($31.75) K (2 players)



What do you think of the flop, I think I pretty much always have the best hand, I'd say his range consists of JJ, TT and AK. So I don't really see the reason for betting when I can get him to bluff off his stack with AK and I'm gonna stack JJ and TT on the turn.

But I get the worse card in the deck on the turn, and don't know what to do. He's got a pot sized bet left. I don't really want to check/fold cos it seems super weak but is he really gonna bet JJ or TT on that board when I'm repping AK.
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02-01-2010 , 07:59 PM
if you think he has either JJ TT or AK you have to be right 33% of the time, if you check/call a PSB youre getting 2:1, what does that tell you?
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02-01-2010 , 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by chikka21
if you think he has either JJ TT or AK you have to be right 33% of the time, if you check/call a PSB youre getting 2:1, what does that tell you?

That would be correct except that he is not turning JJ and TT into a bluff. So his betting range is 100% AK. You seriously need to bet the flop against this guy you are not going to induce many bluffs from him and he can call with worse. Don't try to induce bluffs by passive guys.
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02-01-2010 , 08:07 PM
i agree with ^, not betting the flop is ridiculous, JJ TT might call, you get AK to fold and he doesnt draw out ;p p.s: theres like no way he has AA or KK since he only flatted, so youre good to go.
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02-01-2010 , 08:32 PM
But wouldn't it be more +EV to get value out of his entire range. Rather than just 42% of it. He's only going to turn top pair 13% of the time.
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02-01-2010 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by shawzee
But wouldn't it be more +EV to get value out of his entire range. Rather than just 42% of it. He's only going to turn top pair 13% of the time.
and that 13% of the time is the only times he is going to bet.
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02-01-2010 , 08:56 PM
I prefer bet the flop, I mean, if he has JJ- he still can calls with the classical "put him on AK", and with AK he will put more money in the pot only when he improves so you have to bet.

Btw this guy is prob. a bad reg if he has TT/JJ here.
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02-01-2010 , 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Maxaon
and that 13% of the time is the only times he is going to bet.
disagree

with him being IP if we check flop then check turn I think he'll bet turn UI sometimes. not saying he should.

btw where in OP did it say villain was passive

Last edited by Next Hype; 02-01-2010 at 09:03 PM.
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02-01-2010 , 09:24 PM
I agree with others, not betting the flop here is criminal. Do you have an actual read on him that makes you believe he'll stack off here with AK unimproved, or is that simply an assumption?
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02-01-2010 , 09:28 PM
Why 3 bet if your not planning on firing another bet on the flop??????? BET THAT FLOP. Otherwise fold pre.

He's jamming you if he's got KK, or AA and is very rarely trapping at this level.

Checking the turn just let AK, TT, AQ, JJ see a free card.

Also, betting that flop would make it a WHOLE lot easier to see the turn.

Last edited by Sac_Pacman; 02-01-2010 at 09:32 PM. Reason: add
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02-01-2010 , 09:29 PM
you have to bet the flop. yes, you may only get 1 or 2 streets of value but you need to do it now before the scare cards come. oh, look, there's a scare card
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02-01-2010 , 09:42 PM
bet $10-$15 w your entire range.
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02-01-2010 , 09:56 PM
I like $11 to induce and get value from a wide range
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02-01-2010 , 10:22 PM
The small inducer bet sounds like a much better idea now that I think about it, thanks.
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