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$50NL: QQ vs 5bet multiway - does AK show up enough here?

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07-07-2009 , 03:52 PM

Inthegrid

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Opening raiser is 25/18/0.9, 3% 3bet over 108 hands
3bettor is 24/22/4.6, 15.1% 3bet over 168 hands

I 4bet cold with QQ sticking in 32BB - in a raising war against just one opp then there is no way you should fold. But multiway does AK show up enough to make this a +EV call?

Thanks in advance

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BTN ($67.10)

Dealt to Hero Q

UTG raises to $1.75, fold, CO raises to $6, fold, Hero raises to $16, fold, UTG raises to $135 (AI), fold, Hero ??

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07-07-2009 , 03:57 PM

Blaaz

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Either cold call the 3bet or 4bet/get it in.

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07-07-2009 , 04:00 PM

dcredskins24

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yes. its def a part of villains range and we are getting the correct odds to stack off here. We need rougly 37% equity or so(didnt run the actual numbers but shoudl be around the right number) and we have that versus QQ+, AK

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07-07-2009 , 04:00 PM

dcredskins24

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Originally Posted by Blaaz

Either cold call the 3bet or 4bet/get it in.

cold calling a 3b OOP sucks.

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07-07-2009 , 04:00 PM

Pinders

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So the 3bettor is CO?

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07-07-2009 , 04:03 PM

Blaaz

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Originally Posted by dcredskins24

cold calling a 3b OOP sucks.

You'd rather 4bet/fold?

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07-07-2009 , 04:28 PM

dcredskins24

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Originally Posted by Blaaz

You'd rather 4bet/fold?

no, i'm pretty much either folding(which is never) or 4b/get it in like you said.

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07-07-2009 , 04:47 PM

Blaaz

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Lets say you know he only continues with KK+, now cold calling is good right?

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07-07-2009 , 04:51 PM

dcredskins24

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Originally Posted by Blaaz

Lets say you know he only continues with KK+, now cold calling is good right?

i probably fold, but there is no way to assume he only continues with KK+.

our implied odds are not that great(because if we know he has KK+ we are playing merely for set value and QQ=22 essentially) with the pf bet sizing and there is a chance the original raiser can 4b.

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07-07-2009 , 04:55 PM

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Chainsaw3

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He's only 3 betting 3% of his hands, his 5 bet range is AA/KK only here imo.

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07-07-2009 , 05:03 PM

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Blaaz

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Originally Posted by dcredskins24

No I meant if you know he only continues with KK+ when we 4bet.

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07-07-2009 , 05:14 PM

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dcredskins24

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Originally Posted by Blaaz

No I meant if you know he only continues with KK+ when we 4bet.

by continues do you mean hes either shoves or folds?

Depending on how wide his 3b range is I would probably 4b/f in that case.

Calling leaves us with no idea where we are in the hand and 4b(depending on how wide his range is) is probably the most profitable play as we take down all the dead money that is in the pot.

But this is all so purely theoretical and assumes we know nothign about villains post flop tendencies etc.

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