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06-16-2008 , 02:55 PM
Villain is 17/14 over ~ 300. No history between us, he seems ABC. I've been running a bit laggy maybe but haven't been out of line postflop. eh..?


Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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SB: $51.40
BB: $50.00
Hero (UTG): $59.65
CO: $73.05
BTN: $148.90

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with Q Q
Hero raises to $2.50, CO calls $2.50, BTN calls $2.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($8.25) K K 8 (3 players)
Hero bets $6.25, CO calls $6.25, BTN folds

Turn: ($20.75) J (2 players)
Hero bets $13.75, CO calls $13.75

River: ($48.25) J (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $46.25
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06-16-2008 , 02:59 PM
After he calls turn im done with this hand. Seems like a slowplayed king here. A flush draw is in his range from time to time, but I see a king alot more that the flushdraw here due to the turn call, so river is a given fold. I wonder what a 17/14 calls with in position?
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06-16-2008 , 03:26 PM
I think is range on the turn is a lot of pocket pairs and some slowplayed kings. I would not bet this turn because I think we are folding out all pocket pairs. On the river it is an easy cf to me. He is never showing up with a bluff and he doesn't value bet worse.
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06-16-2008 , 03:28 PM
id c/c turn here alot altough its somewhat exploitable but this guy isnt gonna exploit it, as played rivers clear c/f.
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06-16-2008 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 55offsuit
After he calls turn im done with this hand. Seems like a slowplayed king here. A flush draw is in his range from time to time, but I see a king alot more that the flushdraw here due to the turn call, so river is a given fold. I wonder what a 17/14 calls with in position?
other than pocket pairs and stuff, KT, KJ, KQ all possible hands
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06-16-2008 , 08:13 PM
I kinda want to look him up here. I would assume a 17/14 is 3betting PF with AK esp if he sees you as a lag. Since we have QQ We can heavily discount KQ . Beyond that I don't see many Kings in his range that a 17/14 is cold calling with from MP. And why pot the river? With the club draw whiffing I may talk myself into making a hero call here, but then again I'm a station so take that for what its worth.
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06-16-2008 , 08:29 PM
I c/f turn against these guys. He won't be valuebetting worse and never bet a FD and even more seldom bluff.

I mean don't we c/f turn if the flop were K88 or K82?
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06-16-2008 , 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Thrahl
I kinda want to look him up here. I would assume a 17/14 is 3betting PF with AK esp if he sees you as a lag. Since we have QQ We can heavily discount KQ . Beyond that I don't see many Kings in his range that a 17/14 is cold calling with from MP. And why pot the river? With the club draw whiffing I may talk myself into making a hero call here, but then again I'm a station so take that for what its worth.
I kind of like a hero call too for the reasons you stated, but it's really thin against a guy we have no reads and no history with. A hero call might tilt him pretty hard if we win, so maybe that tips the scales in favor of a call if you consider the possibility that he could tilt off some stacks to us later.
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