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50NL QQ flat pre OP vs 24/12 50NL QQ flat pre OP vs 24/12

01-15-2010 , 01:55 AM
Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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BB: $42.95
UTG: $51.10
UTG+1: $75.70
UTG+2: $50.30
MP1: $18.05
MP2: $24.10
CO: $68.90
Hero (BTN): $50.00
SB: $62.15

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with Q Q
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.50, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.50, 1 fold, CO raises to $2.75, Hero calls $2.75, 4 folds

Flop: ($7.25) T T 5 (2 players)
CO bets $4.50, Hero calls $4.50

Turn: ($16.25) 3 (2 players)
CO bets $11.75

This guy was 24/12 and is not very aggressive. I decided to flat pre because he folds to 3bets and I did not feel I could get QQ in against him.

Are you calling down or calling turn and folding river? Calling turn and folding river feels dirty but it might be the correct play. I just hate these situations where I have to guess what he's going to do.

Should I have just 3bet pre? I really didn't want to 3bet fold QQ.
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01-15-2010 , 02:25 AM
I'm probably folding the turn here. If you're really manly, raise the turn and type ''you've been baluga-ed'' in the chat.

Of course, if you raise it's a bluff, not for value.
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01-15-2010 , 05:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by blackchilli
I'm probably folding the turn here. If you're really manly, raise the turn and type ''you've been baluga-ed'' in the chat.

Of course, if you raise it's a bluff, not for value.
A 24/12 is never folding AA/KK on this board, we can't bluff villain. If I didn't have any notes that villain is really aggressive post flop I am folding turn.
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01-15-2010 , 07:16 AM
Meh, reason for me to 3bet QQ pre would be to make sure UTG+1 and MP1 don't join the club... As played I prolly fold the turn.
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01-15-2010 , 07:22 AM
I like calling down in this spot.

PF it's pretty villain/history dependent but I personally don't mind 3b/stacking off. If you guys tell me though that this is not profitable at NL50 then I'd obv have to believe you.

PS: OP I really like your avatar!
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01-15-2010 , 07:28 AM
I dont get the point. 12PFR and raisin CO. Shouldnt your QQ be ahed of his range?
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01-15-2010 , 07:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RaoulFlush
I dont get the point. 12PFR and raisin CO. Shouldnt your QQ be ahed of his range?
of his opening range?

of his 3bet calling range aka continuation range?

of his 4bet range?

of his stack off range?
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01-15-2010 , 07:50 AM
Yes....12% should be wider in LP, right? 3bet, 4bet, stack off? QQ played slow so there is no reason for not firering a 2nd bullet. No potcommitmend, no cruel action
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01-15-2010 , 11:02 AM
What's the villains fold to 3bet?

I think I´d still 3bet pre, cause villains like this tend to call way too often to 3bets oop. Our hand is definitely way easier to play. And more value in the long run imo.
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01-15-2010 , 11:31 AM
if either of the first two limpers are droolers, there is no doubt that you should just call and not 3-bet here

otherwise, it just depends on whether you're happy getting QQ allin preflop against the cutoff

Last edited by MyTurn2Raise; 01-15-2010 at 11:40 AM.
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01-15-2010 , 11:36 AM
I'd call down. You flatted pre to get value from his worse hands, so stick to the plan. I honestly think he can be value betting 88+ here and double barreling AK type hands.
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