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10-23-2009 , 06:36 PM

ATJ

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Hi all - I had this hand the other day and would like some feedback please. I am not sure the best way to play this. Villan seems pretty taggy after 50 hands and is running at 18/16/7 with a 3bet of 4%. Should i be folding to the 4bet preflop and assume he would only have aa,kk, ak?

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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UTG: $16.85
CO: $50.00
BTN: $67.20
SB: $99.90
Hero (BB): $50.00

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with Q

1 fold, CO raises to $1.50, 1 fold, SB calls $1.25, Hero raises to $5, CO raises to $13, 1 fold, Hero calls $8

Flop: ($27.50) 9

(2 players)

Hero?

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10-23-2009 , 06:37 PM

Ksight3

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Oh jeez.

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10-23-2009 , 06:44 PM

ATJ

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Originally Posted by Ksight3

Oh jeez.

thanks for the feedback

im thinking i should have 3bet more and then folded or shoved to a 4bet...?

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10-23-2009 , 06:45 PM

Ksight3

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Yes, No.

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10-23-2009 , 06:54 PM

ATJ

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explain please...

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10-23-2009 , 06:55 PM

Ksight3

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5-bet shove?

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10-23-2009 , 07:00 PM

Brian J

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Basically from the cutoff his range is about as wide as it gets besides the button. So your stats are good for a general idea of this player but are not definitive. However, his range to stack off is likely pretty stout, which is what he is saying he wants to do with his 4bet. Don't call. Fold or shove, preferably fold.

Now you can also ad some dynamic where if you had been 3 betting or squeezing a lot then this is auto stack off.

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10-23-2009 , 07:06 PM

fuluck

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i'd be curious to know what your stats are as well

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10-23-2009 , 07:16 PM

ATJ

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I was running at about 20/17/5 , 3 bet of 0.

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10-23-2009 , 07:18 PM

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henrymi

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Originally Posted by Brian J

Don't call. Fold or shove, preferably fold.

this

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10-23-2009 , 07:25 PM

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Ksight3

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Preferrably fold what?

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10-23-2009 , 07:31 PM

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RichIsTwoRags

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rr more pre, bet call the flop

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10-23-2009 , 07:32 PM

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RichIsTwoRags

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Originally Posted by RichIsTwoRags

rr more pre, bet call the flop

misread the hand. shove pre

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10-23-2009 , 07:33 PM

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Ligic

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Shove pre because calling shrinks your penis.

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10-23-2009 , 07:47 PM

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rtr1129

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Originally Posted by Ligic

Shove pre because calling shrinks your penis.

So that's my problem.

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10-23-2009 , 08:34 PM

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Blacktie

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Fold wtf this is a snap shove?

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10-23-2009 , 10:30 PM

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Brian J

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Originally Posted by Blacktie

Fold wtf this is a snap shove?

what do you assign to his range to say snap shove?

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10-23-2009 , 11:10 PM

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RichIsTwoRags

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Originally Posted by Brian J

what do you assign to his range to say snap shove?

keep in mind hero is RR'ing from a very obvious sqz spot. additionally, he made a smallish RR, offering our enemy the opportunity to make a slightly cheaper bluff, if he is so inclined.

TT-AA, AQ+, which in itself is enough to make it an obvious shove. toss in some amount of bluffs and its even more clear cut.

Last edited by RichIsTwoRags; 10-23-2009 at 11:30 PM.

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10-23-2009 , 11:19 PM

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lilaznboi

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how can you have a 3bet of 0 after 50 hands?

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10-24-2009 , 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by lilaznboi

how can you have a 3bet of 0 after 50 hands?

Did not pick up AA ldo

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10-24-2009 , 02:19 AM

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Ksight3

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Originally Posted by lilaznboi

how can you have a 3bet of 0 after 50 hands?

Happens all the time.

Spoiler:

My edge comes from playing post flop, not in a 3-bet pot with a small SPR

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10-24-2009 , 07:16 AM

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Blacktie

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Originally Posted by RichIsTwoRags

This. I may even include AJs, 88+ & AQo+ since it looks like a resteal from us. I'd never call here especially if your not going to stack off on a flop like that. All your calling for is set value if your not stacking off here and calling a 4bet is just spew.

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