Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 351165
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UTG+1: $53.50
MP1: $39.75
MP2: $51.65
CO: $98.20
Less than one round in, no reads on anyone, I had been very active in that first round, two preflop raises including the hand prior.

BTN: $50.00
SB: $50.00
BB: $49.50
Hero (UTG): $52.55

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with Q Q
Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, MP1 calls $2, MP2 calls $2, 2 folds, SB calls $1.75, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($10.00) 2 T 9 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $5, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $5, SB folds, BB folds

Turn: ($20.00) J (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $20, Hero requests TIME, [color=red]

That flop has probably hit at least one of these villains imo, I'd rather check this flop than bet into 4 villains.

As played although you've now picked up an OESD and you have your overpair I'm still not sure I'd call a pot sized bet from an unknown just for them to do the same on the River when you miss your draw, I doubt one pair is good here.

disregard this completely


bigger bet on the flop... $7-$8, b/f (60% psb) turn

7.5-8.00 on flop. Checking here is terrible, imo as we miss out on a ton of value and lose initiative. As played, I think I fold the turn. lots of 2pair combos, straights and sets here and I don't think he's gonna take this line with AJ or something like that.

Your weak flopbet and turn check makes it tougher here but his bet is very strong so as played I fold...

I bet more on flop as well btw, something like 7 to 8 seems fine.

Too much crazy with my breakfast this morning it seems, I would never ever check this in game, what was I thinking!?

Luckily for me WrpMission was there with the right advice to help smooth over my "special" moment.

My thought process:
Snap calls pre-flopp gives a fairly open range. 2nd caller with several behind typically excludes big pairs. His range is 22-jj, suited connectors, a-k, a-q, and Ax suited.

Pre flop bet is probably a bit to small, I'm betting for info here and to protect possibility of best hand, some potential straight draws but not an overly heavy drawing hand. A bet of 5-6 into a pot of $9.xx or so here gives me all the info I need without commiting a huge % of my stack.

Snap call post flop here with two behind shows weakness. With two behind and possible draws I think 2's, 9's, 10's and 9-10S at least have to think about raising the flop. At this point I'm putting him on jj, qj, or a-10 to j-10 suited.

Turn card mixed, completes some straight draws and improves jj and j-10 but also improves qj. Check here because w over pair and open ended I feel i'm commited to see the river regardless of what happens betting wise. Check gives him the chance to bluff w air (however unlikely that is) and qj and might give me a chance to see river more cheaply than if i bet.

When he bet turn i've put him on jj, j10, or q10, k10, a10, or air, (kq is slight possible but i felt unlikely). With a chance of having the best hand and outs against anything other than kq I shoved not expecting him to lay down a better hand but feeling he's priced in to call with weaker hands or even with air.

With my play on flop and turn I'm also showing some weakness. Some players cf a kk-aa to a big bet here.

Comments on my thought process?

That entire post is really hard to read, you need to work on communicating your thoughts more clearly if you expect us to respond.

Flop: Your flop bet is for value and needs to be big enough to give draws bad odds to call. You're going to get called here by a lot of worse pairs and draws so you need to extract maximum value.

Turn: When a scary turn card comes off you're going to continue to bet out to get value from worse pairs & draws. If he raises you it makes for a very easy decision whether or not to continue in the hand.

IMO five handed and large stacks dictate all draws call any pot size or smaller bets on flop. 5 handed also drastically reduces chances of anyone rasing with air after flop. Don't I get the same info betting $5 vs $8 here?

When the J fell on the turn I decided with over pair and OE im comfortable playing for stacks considering his likely range. IMO checking turn maximizes profit on hands I beat and invites bluff from air and gives me best chance to see river if I'm crushed. With the size of his bet on the turn shoving was really the only option and I felt confident even if I didnt have the best hand I had enough outs if I was called.

If you decided you were comfortable playing for stacks there, then betting the turn is absolutely necessary in order to get value from the draws he has on the occasions that you have the best hand.

Flop: Your $5 bet into 5 people looks weak and invites a raise from a number of worse hands and will put you into a terrible spot where you will most likely have to fold. You need to get value (an extra 6bb in this case) and raise your cbet size. Also, by betting more on the flop, it'll make getting it in on later streets much much easier (I won't get into that here).

Turn: Lets say you are behind at this point and need to hit 8 outs to make your OESD (~17%). Which gives you terrible odds to call any bet and put you in an awful spot on the river OOP. If you're comfortable playing for stacks (which is questionable), then bet out and a % of the time you will get him to fold a stronger hand.

I cant see any better hands that fold to a turn bet there. Due to pre and post flop play i feel fairly confident I can rule out aa, kk, 22, 99, 1010 and 9 10. Even if you allow aa and kk in his range I don't see too many players folding it to a turn bet there.

I felt solid in my read that he had a-10 through j-10, 7-8 or air. Due to the way I've played the hand a check on the turn looks a lot like a smal pp or ak aq. Doesn't a check at this point elicit enough bets from worse 1pair hands and bluffs to make it a better call than bet shove considering I've alreay determined I'm ok playing for stacks?

FWIW

I shoved, he called, river ragged and he turned over AK.