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01-03-2023 , 07:51 AM
Hoping for some feedback on our turn sizing most of all, but any feedback is welcome.

NL Holdem 0.50(BB)
HERO ($57.48) [VPIP: 23.4% | PFR: 20% | AGG: 34% | Flop Agg: 37.6% | Turn Agg: 33.4% | River Agg: 31.2% | 3-Bet: 10.7% | 4-Bet: 18.2% | Cold Call: 6.7% | Hands: 8402]
UTG ($4.95)
HJ ($127.49)
CO ($108.89) [VPIP: 23.1% | PFR: 15.4% | AGG: 33.3% | Flop Agg: 25% | Turn Agg: 37.5% | River Agg: 50% | 3-Bet: 7.1% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 78]
BTN ($50)
SB ($49.50)

Dealt to Hero: Q K

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Raises To $1.25, BTN Folds, SB Folds, HERO Calls $0.75

Hero SPR on Flop: [20.45 effective]
Flop ($2.75): T 5 A
HERO Checks, CO Bets $0.86 (Rem. Stack: $106.78), HERO Raises To $3.20 (Rem. Stack: $53.03), CO Calls $2.34 (Rem. Stack: $104.44)

Turn ($9.15): T 5 A 4
HERO Bets $2.85 (Rem. Stack: $50.18), CO Calls $2.85 (Rem. Stack: $101.59)

River ($14.85): T 5 A 4 9
Hero?
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01-03-2023 , 09:18 AM
Like the XR, not sure what we're trying to accomplish on the turn
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01-03-2023 , 09:30 AM
After you checkraise, you typically want to play a polar overbet or check strategy on bricky turns. On a draw heavy board like this, we want to be betting huge (at least pot) or checking, small bet is inefficient and gives him a great price IP. This hand is getting a bit close to overbet, but is probably fine to do so. I would give up a lot of rivers
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01-03-2023 , 11:37 AM
Well now that you have your hand in the cookie jar you have to steal the cookies.
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01-03-2023 , 12:37 PM
I give up turn. CO has an Ace a huge amount of the time, you can't rep AA and are you 3betting TT always/sometimes/never? I might be tempted to check-call flop for this sizing tbh although check-raise is good too.

On the turn you only have a gutshot left, so I just give up - once he calls flop CO is heavily biased towards an Ace, he won't have many flush draws

River is trivial give-up for me, what are we targeting, sticky JJ/weak Ax etc? You had a go on the flop, set yourself a price on your gutshot on the turn, it didn't work out for you, give up and move on
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01-03-2023 , 02:17 PM
We only have AT and 55 to value raise flop with, so we don't need many bluffs... I am not sure this hand is one of them but I would like to hear the arguments for picking this hand over 64hh/67hh/56hh/78hh/QJ with a heart etc.

Or would anybody raise flop with AJ against this small size here?

I would call flop. We may be good already, we can bluff hearts, we might be good on a Q/K and we can hit the nuts with a J.
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01-03-2023 , 06:10 PM
This is a pretty good combo for a big turn bet. We get there with 23 and 45, so we're going to have a hard time finding bluffs if not this hand. We deny equity to a lot of flush draws which can't call a big bet. I'm looking to bluff river on hearts and check/fold on other bricks. We just beat some hearts that call turn and don't bluff river on bricks.

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01-03-2023 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by moxterite
On the turn you only have a gutshot left, so I just give up - once he calls flop CO is heavily biased towards an Ace, he won't have many flush draws
Thanks for your response. If I understand you correctly, our turn bluffs should have more equity because villain's calling range on the flop contains more top pair combos that won't fold easily on the turn?

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01-03-2023 , 06:50 PM
Probably can't be taking this line with all KQ so we should probably choose which ones to barrel based on suits. OTT the Kh seems ok to have (blocks the NFD which usually calls turn but also blocks KhQx and KhJx that call flop and fold turn), so overbetting seems fine. But OTR I think we should give up because we block the busted NFD
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01-04-2023 , 07:53 AM
Firstly we can mix our pteflop play with 3b. I would probably 3b pre. Secondly this combo can raise some of the time otf. Most of the time tho we are just calling. If we do xr then we have to give up ott simply because the brick doesn't change anything. He's calling flop he's calling turn and we might get a free river because the raise spooked him and he might think you're going for two. Only your K and Qh fd, sets and 2p are betting big ott. This is because we can set up a river jam which on another brick we are polarized... we are shoving only 2p and sets and... Conversely he's only calling with his 2p and sets; he's folding all his other Ax hands. Oddly enough our binked fd are giving up. I still think I would follow through old school style with stealing the cookies story. Betting turn and giving up river feels like burning money.
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01-04-2023 , 08:27 AM
Turn bet is way too small imo, I'd give up river AP. Blast on a heart
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01-04-2023 , 09:09 PM
Thanks for everyone's feedback

The consensus seems to be go big OTT and possibly jam heart rivers
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01-05-2023 , 12:03 AM
I'd Rather not raise the flop a lot in this situation when you beat all bluffs and aren't really getting better hands to fold. It has a lot of ways to win, but you're in bad shape when you get called, and you have to fold to any raises.
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01-05-2023 , 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by AskZandar
I'd Rather not raise the flop a lot in this situation when you beat all bluffs and aren't really getting better hands to fold. It has a lot of ways to win, but you're in bad shape when you get called, and you have to fold to any raises.
That's fair, so what are your bluffs otf then? 5x?

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01-05-2023 , 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Franchise804
That's fair, so what are your bluffs otf then? 5x?

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maybe some kind of heart draw that can get a lot of better hands to fold.
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01-07-2023 , 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by AskZandar
maybe some kind of heart draw that can get a lot of better hands to fold.
So I'll need to 2x check my ranges, but I'm doubtful we actually have a lot of flush draws otf.

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01-07-2023 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Franchise804
So I'll need to 2x check my ranges, but I'm doubtful we actually have a lot of flush draws otf.

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I probably wouldn't do a lot of raising to begin with personally.
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