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50NL - Mislick turns into bluff/spew? 50NL - Mislick turns into bluff/spew?

02-05-2009 , 05:11 AM
Villain in this hand is 17/7, with a c-bet% of 85%, over about 300 hands. He was displaying his Silverstar status so obviously isn't a high volume player at this level, but I have had a couple of sessions with him previously, but no notes.

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 29280
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MP2: $61.55
CO: $50.00
BTN: $29.25
Hero (SB): $53.25
BB: $10.90
UTG: $20.75
UTG+1: $30.05
UTG+2: $107.15
MP1: $97.35

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with 4 5
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $2, 5 folds, Hero calls $1.75, 1 fold

So I misclick and call here. My initial thought is to just c/f any non-miracle flop

Flop: ($4.50) 7 A J (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $2.50, Hero raises to $7, UTG+1 calls $4.50

Obviously not a good flop for me, but then he fires this weak c-bet of just over 1/2 pot, so I'm thinking he didn't really like that flop and decide to turn my hand into a c/r and pick the pot up here. This has been a good strategy for me recently against tight players with a high c-bet%, especially when they c-bet weak.

Turn: ($18.50) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks

After my c/r attempt on the flop gets called, again I decide to shut down

River: ($18.50) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $44.25 all in

So he checked behind on the turn. This makes me think that he has something but not much, and he certainly does not want to play for stacks with it. His weak play through the hand made me want to represent a failed 2nd c/r attempt on the turn, and shove here. Based on his fairly early PF raise, and the way he played flop and turn, I put him on a range of QQ/KK/AK/AQ. Is this too narrow a range? My thinking was that if he had any of these hands, except for maybe AK, he would have to lay down to a shove. Is this solid thinking or just spew? Edit - Note also Villain's stack size and the fact that he only has ~$20 left, not the full amount of my shove.
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02-05-2009 , 05:53 AM
Except for the call pre (that was a missclick, so...) I actually like it.
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02-05-2009 , 05:58 AM
The shove on the river is horrible. People, who are doing this have a bluff or the nuts. Since you checked the turn I would not believe you and call.
If you bluff, then make it to 15$. The same hands, which would call your shove, will call you and you lose less that way.
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02-05-2009 , 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by DiggaWasgeht?
The shove on the river is horrible. People, who are doing this have a bluff or the nuts. Since you checked the turn I would not believe you and call.
If you bluff, then make it to 15$. The same hands, which would call your shove, will call you and you lose less that way.
Villain only has 20 behind.
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02-05-2009 , 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by juguerra
Villain only has 20 behind.
Ups, missed that. Okay, then I like it.
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02-05-2009 , 07:40 AM
don't go in the mistake of: Ah well, I made a misclick, then atleast I can try to win this pot

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As played, I don't like it that much. Passive players have the tendency to call people down
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02-05-2009 , 09:47 AM
did he showed 67?
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02-05-2009 , 10:17 AM
Ron - STOP BLUFFING FISH.

Any other comment just encourages FOS FPS.
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02-05-2009 , 10:27 AM
just as some insight, $2.5 is sometimes a normal cbet amount, not saying it's good just saying it's not always weak
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02-05-2009 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Don Melchor
just as some insight, $2.5 is sometimes a normal cbet amount, not saying it's good just saying it's not always weak
+1

That's the right amount to cbet this texture imo. It's not weak.

UTG+1 cbet/call, check back the turn: you're asking him to fold exactly AK/AQ 50% of the time here. Unpossible i think.

Last edited by JH1; 02-05-2009 at 11:05 AM.
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02-05-2009 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by JH1
+1

That's the right amount to cbet this texture imo. It's not weak.

UTG+1 cbet/call, check back the turn: you're asking him to fold exactly AK/AQ 50% of the time here. Unpossible i think.
I think he might also take this line with KK/QQ as well, which he would/should fold to a shove.


As it turned out, he took his whole timebank then called with AQo. I guess I was half right, but as Digger says, you shouldn't bluff fish.
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02-05-2009 , 11:37 AM
Flop check-raise is kinda okay--that's probably going to make him lay down QQ--but the river shove is lighting money on fire. Good golly, but that's atrocious. When he calls the flop check-raise, he has an ace (or better) 100% of the time.

But honestly you're better off just writing off the $2 you misclicked off in a spot like this.
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02-05-2009 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Zeth
When he calls the flop check-raise, he has an ace (or better) 100% of the time.
It was his check behind on the turn which prompted me to make the shove on the river. It was as if he was scared of me check-raising again and didn't want to have to play for stacks. I obviously know I'm behind but I'm sure he hasn't got more than top pair here and I think a lot of decent players will top pair down to this shove. I picked the wrong Villain...
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02-05-2009 , 11:50 AM
Boah thats just spew sooooo spew...That like to keep pushing you head against the wall....I mean if is a bluff than is a very bad one. I mean what kind of hands do you going to represent here after checking the turn???: sets no, two pairs no, an A with bad kicker somthing like AT maybe...
ok but than just keep fire on turn and river to make you bluff/play more beliveble...
check the turn after c/r the flop and than shove the river looks so queer wired....
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02-05-2009 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerRon247
It was as if he was scared of me check-raising again and didn't want to have to play for stacks.
He knew you were going for the triple check-raise :P
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