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06-01-2008 , 05:22 PM

wikemang

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villain is 19.5/11/2.5 over 46 hands.

Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

UTG+1: $16.15
UTG+2: $19.85
MP1: $10.00
MP2: $51.75
Hero (CO): $50.00
BTN: $23.15
SB: $50.00
BB: $49.75
UTG: $29.75

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with K

UTG calls $0.50, 3 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, Hero raises to $3, 3 folds, UTG calls $2.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($7.25) J

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $4, UTG raises to $10, Hero raises to $47 all in, UTG calls $16.75 all in

Turn: ($60.75) 6

River: ($60.75) A

Given stack sizes, is this an autoshove every time?

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06-01-2008 , 05:29 PM

Zenzor

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autofold imo. utg limp/call then check/raise.. you're ahead of nothing.

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06-01-2008 , 05:34 PM

wikemang

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You don't think he can have QQ/AJ/KJ at all?

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06-01-2008 , 05:50 PM

Zenzor

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This is rarely a bluff and you have no fold equity. I'm sure someone will stove it, but I think you're on the losing end of a flip at best. You have $7 invested and it's another $22 to call and you could very well be dominated by JJ//10's/5's (30% dog on J10) and AA/KK although unlikely.

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06-01-2008 , 05:52 PM

wikemang

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you don't think a 19/11 raises TT/JJ from UTG? basically the only hand I am afraid of there is 55 or JTs?

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06-01-2008 , 06:09 PM

Zenzor

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45 hands is a small sample to be putting people on hand ranges.

Regardless, as I said, you're hoping to be on the losing end of a flip at best. His line looks mad strong and plus you have no fold equity. And even if he is bluffing, he still might be ahead of you -.- If you have odds to win the flip then a call is good I guess.

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06-01-2008 , 07:28 PM

Baja15

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I play it exactly the same way.

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06-01-2008 , 07:47 PM

Bluegrassplayer

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I dislike the shove, you're drawing to 8 maybe 11 outs and he raises 6 dollars into 21, just take the essentially free card he's giving you, The ace might be a bad card that doesn't pay off, but the 9 almost certainly will.

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06-01-2008 , 08:31 PM

Baja15

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I might agree with calling if villain was deeper but with these stack sizes i think shoving is better.

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06-01-2008 , 08:34 PM

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Bluegrassplayer

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Thats true he only has half a stack, definitely changes things.

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06-02-2008 , 02:32 AM

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wikemang

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despite the small sample i just feel like he could really only have 55, JTs, or like AJ. or he's c/r bluffing. it just doesn't make sense to me, really.

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