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09-24-2013 , 11:11 AM
V running 20/13/13.5 (14% BTN 3b) over 90 hands

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    Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #19567301

    BTN: $73.93 (147.9 bb)
    SB: $24.50 (49 bb)
    BB: $290.85 (581.7 bb)
    Hero (UTG): $94.43 (188.9 bb)
    MP: $55.61 (111.2 bb)
    CO: $65.62 (131.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with K K
    Hero raises to $1.50, 2 folds, BTN raises to $4.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $11, BTN calls $6.50

    Flop: ($22.75) Q Q 4 (2 players)
    Hero bets $8, BTN calls $8

    Turn: ($38.75) 3 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $18.50, Hero ???




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    Bad flop obviously. I think he's peeling semi wide given depth, can we c/f turn against relative unknowns? I have better hands in my range to bluff catch with..
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    09-24-2013 , 12:41 PM
    honestly Im not sure if you're serious or not.

    since you are deep:
    4B bigger pre
    Bet bigger otf
    bet turn

    what do you mean this is a bad flop? You think his range consist only Qx?
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    09-24-2013 , 12:51 PM
    By barreling turn you expect to get called by what exactly that you beat? At least by checking you keep villain's range wider and allow him to bluff all his floats.
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    09-24-2013 , 12:56 PM
    villain seems passive. I dont think he will bluff that much here. By betting we are getting value from possible draws and lower pps that dont believe us.
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    09-24-2013 , 02:00 PM
    what is calling 1/3 pot OTF that wouldn't call a normal sized bet?
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    09-24-2013 , 02:15 PM
    Think it's a decent spot to flat 3-bet pre IMO, as played x/c and evaluate, he has very few Qx here, if any. His range is AK, AA-TT usually here, but JJ/TT may fold turn to another barrel as are AK, so let them either check back and value bet OTR or float and bluff turn
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    09-24-2013 , 03:04 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NikTheGreek
    honestly Im not sure if you're serious or not.

    since you are deep:
    4B bigger pre
    Bet bigger otf
    bet turn

    what do you mean this is a bad flop? You think his range consist only Qx?
    I'm serious.. I know I made several mistakes here which is why I'm asking for input. 4b should be to ~$13?

    If I go bigger OTF my turn bet has to be for ~pot (w/ pre sizing) and I doubt unknowns call off TT-JJ enough here. Given texture I thought it'd be better to keep his range as wide as possible..
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    09-24-2013 , 04:20 PM
    I d always 4bet this. If QQ4 is a bad flop for kings I m not quite sure what you think about Axx I think QQx is a pretty decent flop in fact.
    I m not super happily going broke here 150bb deep, but its a 4bet pot and we have kings. I dont think we are getting away here. c/c probably not the worst idea OTT.
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    09-24-2013 , 04:33 PM
    Bigger 4bet is reasonable, like the flop sizing, would go for 9,25 personaly
    I dont see how could we fold turn. Would also consider checking flop if he is barrel-happy.
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    09-25-2013 , 02:11 AM
    if you think he's peeling flop wide then this seems like a nobrainer call or are you assuming he peels wide and checks back his air?

    i'd bet turn though
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    09-25-2013 , 05:26 AM
    Bet more on flop and dont fold turn.....imo I think if we check turn it should be with the intention of getting it in now. .but I would just bet turn
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    09-25-2013 , 07:00 AM
    could go bigger on flop since we are deep
    just bet turn yourself
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    09-25-2013 , 07:47 AM
    bet turn. x/c is also not a bad option. never folding turn and qqx flop is not that bad
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    09-25-2013 , 08:16 AM
    Two queens are better than one
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    09-25-2013 , 09:01 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TWhelan
    Two queens are better than one
    so true
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    09-25-2013 , 09:44 AM
    I like 4betting as a default, mixing in a few flats. When I 4bet, I like making it a bit bigger as nik said. Don't wanna give him odds to draw, especially being OOP.

    If he flats the 4bet he prob does not have a Q, his range is limited to 99-JJ, AA and AK imo. U're crushing this range but expecting him to get stacked with a hand like TT is a bit overoptimistic. Having said that, my FPS comes into play and I check one, or both of the first two streets.

    Showing weakness may convince him I am sitting on AK or some random 4bet bluff and give me some action, vbetting worse hands or bluffing (obv few bluffing hands are in his range but his line is consistent with AK imo)
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