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50NL, KK facing CRAI on turn 50NL, KK facing CRAI on turn

10-08-2009 , 05:33 AM
Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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UTG: $50.00
Hero (MP): $50.00
CO: $47.30
BTN: $55.65
SB: $19.00
BB: $27.05

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is MP with K K
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, CO calls $2, 2 folds, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($6.25) T 4 7 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5.50, CO calls $5.50, BB folds

Turn: ($17.25) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $16.50, CO raises to $39.80 all in

Hero calls
Standard call?
CO is 73/42 across about 50 hands. He got sucked out for a big pot a few hands earlier.
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10-08-2009 , 05:37 AM
Standard call given stats and likely tilt. You've got outs if villain by some miracle hit 2 pair.
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10-08-2009 , 05:47 AM
not a checkraise imo

is a fistpump imo
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10-08-2009 , 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by benjamin barker
not a checkraise imo

is a fistpump imo
lol i realized after posting it, but 2+2 doesn't let you edit titles. o well
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10-08-2009 , 06:09 AM
Based on what we know I call.
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10-08-2009 , 06:32 AM
u could also check turn if u r not willing to clal check raise here, only scare card = A,
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10-08-2009 , 06:35 AM
considering the history, i would call
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10-08-2009 , 06:37 AM
Call but expect to be behind most of the time.
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10-08-2009 , 07:14 AM
id say standart fold
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10-08-2009 , 07:29 AM
Call, not folding against this villain here.
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10-08-2009 , 01:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlanDyer
u could also check turn if u r not willing to clal check raise here, only scare card = A,
6, J, club, or T can slow me down
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10-08-2009 , 01:13 PM
what kind of aggression stats does he have?

i think you're behind here a ton and i'm probably folding
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10-08-2009 , 01:15 PM
Against a 73/42 bully I'd probably call it. Against most players it is an easy fold though.
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10-08-2009 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Wilbur
Call but expect to be behind most of the time.
Why would you call if you expect to be behind most of the time?

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Originally Posted by Masblas
Against a 73/42 bully I'd probably call it. Against most players it is an easy fold though.
I would call against his stats too, because I hate laying down KK.

But are stats really good enough to warrant a call here?

Why would he flat the flop and then shove the turn with weaker hands (top pair/99/TT/JJ/QQ/flush draws), rather than raising on the flop or flatting the turn?

What hands would he call-down with, as opposed to shoving?

If he's bluffing with air, would he do that when the 3s falls on the turn, against our perceived range?

Last edited by vexican; 10-08-2009 at 01:47 PM.
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10-08-2009 , 01:45 PM
Call, and laugh when he shows AT.

Then cry when A hits the river.
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10-08-2009 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by absolutefish
Call, and laugh when he shows AT.

Then cry when A hits the river.
+1
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10-08-2009 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by vexican
Why would you call if you expect to be behind most of the time?
Because there is already money in the pot...
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10-08-2009 , 05:20 PM
Call and shrug if she shows some crazy two pair.

Given the information (50 hands isn't a terrible sample), this guys seems like a maniac and his line looks very strange. What does he rep here? Apart from 56, how does the turn improve any hands that he had on the flop? I don't know his AGG%, but I think he gets all his monster draws in on the flop, and the 3 helps so few hands that I think if you call here he turns up with quite a wide range of draws and pair/draws.
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10-08-2009 , 05:28 PM
This is standard baluga but with your bet-sizing and the history I don't think you can fold.
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10-08-2009 , 05:36 PM
why do people consider folding these types of hands vs these types of opponents? Yes a rational player usually has us beat here, but rational players dont play 75% of their hands. Fistpump call
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10-08-2009 , 05:37 PM
Your getting almost 3:1 on a call against an ATC villain on tilt. I snap call.
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10-08-2009 , 05:38 PM
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Why would you call if you expect to be behind most of the time?
If he makes a pot size bet you only have to be ahead 50% of the time to come out even. When he makes a smaller than pot size bet you can be ahead less than 50% of the time and come out even or ahead. In this case you have to call $23 to make $73 so you only have to be ahead or lucky about 24% of the time to make the call correct.

You are probably ahead at least 15% against this type of player with that disguised hand if not more than that. You get lucky if the board pairs and he has 2 pair or a K comes and he has a set.

It isn't a slam dunk call but I think it is probably a call.
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10-09-2009 , 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by gateswi
This is standard baluga but with your bet-sizing and the history I don't think you can fold.
These are pretty much my thoughts as well.

Normally a standard fold vs a passive opponent. However given how aggressive he is preflop and the fact that he could very likely be tilting I think you will see Tx a lot here, and sometimes a poorly played JJ.
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10-10-2009 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by absolutefish
Call, and laugh when he shows AT.

Then cry when A hits the river.
Haha very close sir.

Turn: ($17.25) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $16.50, CO raises to $39.80 all in, Hero calls $23.30

River: ($96.85) A (2 players - 1 is all in)

villain has 6s3c
Hero wins pot

Thanks for the input everyone. I think that my bet sizing could use a little work. I feel like I over commit myself OOP with overpairs, so am almost always taken to value town when someone flops a set IP.
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10-10-2009 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by chr147
Haha very close sir.

Turn: ($17.25) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $16.50, CO raises to $39.80 all in, Hero calls $23.30

River: ($96.85) A (2 players - 1 is all in)

villain has 6s3c
Hero wins pot

Thanks for the input everyone. I think that my bet sizing could use a little work. I feel like I over commit myself OOP with overpairs, so am almost always taken to value town when someone flops a set IP.
You will have overcards much more often than they have sets so it isn't the worst thing in the world when it happens. Can't play afraid of sets all the time or you won't be able to value bet properly.
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