UTG is a relative unknown, but has been playing pretty loose passive. I don't think I've seen him donk the flop before.

SB is running 14/10/3 over a few hundred hands, but hasn't really done anything too noticeable.

I'm probably running around 16/13 at the table and have been stealing quite a bit.


Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked
BB: $87.35
UTG: $29.25
UTG+1: $54.20
UTG+2: $10.25
MP1: $28.75
MP2: $46.75
CO: $42.25
Hero (BTN): $66.55
SB: $38.85

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with J J
UTG calls $0.50, 5 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, SB calls $2.25, 1 fold, UTG calls $2

Flop: ($8.00) 2 7 3 (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $4.50, Hero raises to $13, SB raises to $36.35 all in, UTG folds, Hero calls $23.35

This donk bet by UTG looks to me like a weak pair (maybe something like 55/66 or maybe A7. I raise here because I figure if SB comes over the top, there are enough drawing hands in his range to call with the overpair should he shove. I also think he'd 3bet me with QQ+ and probably AsKs so I doubt the draws I'd be facing would include 2 overs. Anyone like a different line here or am I nuts for getting AI?

He could be shoving with an overpair smaller then yours as well such as 88-10's.
It is however, not uncommon for donkeys to limp utg with monsters but usually they re raise preflop if raised to.

Aks or something like that you mentioned just doesn't make much sense. I don't see a whole lot of people limp with this utg, even if they are awful.

Small chance he has something like A5s A4s and had a pretty heavy draw in which he is likely to be ahead of you when the turn/riv comes

I would not dismiss villain having trips as well such as 77

I think the only hands you might be possibly ahead of in his range, pre and post are 88-10s. He might be going for a crazy slow play with some monsters imo

Totally standard through your flop raise.

The check-shove befuddles me. That board was made for action, so i think you're ahead here sometimes. Getting better than 2:1 the call is probably OK, but its close. Flip a coin.

I think his range is heavily weighted to 22, 33 and 77 (although he probably folds the deuces pre from UTG) We're ahead of draws and with reverse-implied odds (tell me if I'm wrong, but I think that's what factors in here) it's pretty -EV for us.

RIO does not apply here. No further action when you're all in, so no implied odds, reverse or otherwise.

Not really sure I like that line tbh.

As this hand developed it's kind of strange that you excpect SB to get invoved here. I think it is much more likely that he just c/f here so our first target should be UTG (of course keeping in mind that SB might still come along). Now, given the range that you assigned for UTG I don't really think that there is too much value in raising UTG because he will fold all the hands that we have beat and only continue with the best hands in his range likes sets, weird 2pairs or huge draws (As4s,4s5s and stuff).

Yeah SB's stack size made me lean towards a call here. If he shoved a full stack or if UTG called, I think a laydown would be in order. My question (basically) is if this is one of those WB/SA situations where I should learn to let my hand go?

What I meant to say was that SB would be raising draws here as opposed to calling, given his stats. At least that was my thinking in that his raising range wouldn't just be sets.

You say he's a passive donk, ill range him with 44,55,66,88,99,TT and i guess he thinks it's good enough because he thinks you have 2 overs (donks love to put people on AK). I dont believe he would bet trips, rather check raise, thats why i excluded 22,33,77. Most donks arent imaginative enough to bet draws. I would call here easily.

Looks standard to me.

I did this twice this morning already, so its no biggie, but re-read the action. The player he's getting in against did indeed c/r (and isn't the loose-passive that donk bet).

Oops, lol, i misread it, sorry.

In that case, it's a much more difficult decision. His stats are respectful, his preflop call might exclude JJ+,AKo and include small to mid pairs, i dont believe he's holding SC against, what he might think as, one opponent.

range: 22,33,44,55,66,77,88,99,TT

At flop he c/r all in with two opponents still to act, i believe he knows that he has low fold equity so we can def exclude SC's, and thus exclude a semibluff, the same principle applies to mid pairs, small overpairs, who didnt hit trips, where the fold equity needs to be even bigger.

That leads me to conclude he has most certainly trips here and has you beat, it's a fold.

Pretty easy fold imo. He could be pushing fd+overs but thats not great for you and its a pretty specific hand to be thinking you are against kq/aq/ak ak and aq/ak is not as likely as he would likely reraise pre. A solid player isnt pushing an overpair here besides a slow played aa or kk which is really unlikely and your beat here anyway.

I think the most likely hand you are beating is KQs. And you are losing to a set most of the time.

update your well imo

I think the key is he is 14/10/3 hasn't done anything unusual. He checks, then sees the UTG donk bet. He's got to think he has to beat a pair of sevens at least, and could be up against a set. You raise, which means he needs better than a pair of sevens and given your betting pattern, you probably have a big pair. A shove with a FD or a set makes sense for the SB. He's getting odds if anyone calls. He might get lucky and get both of you to fold.

You're getting nearly 3:1 to call. It is about an even split between FD hands and sets he could have. That makes it 2:1 against you. Not an easy call, but certainly a reasonable one after the UTG folds. It would be a tougher one if the UTG shoved as well.