Villain was 18/16 3bet 9%3bet and 11% from BTN..900hands
JJ obv ahead of range pre, I didnt feel we had the dynamic where I could 4bet and he'd 5bet shove lighter.

Do we prefer 4betting here? Donk flop?
On the river what do we think his range is? and what does mine look like to him?
Would you call or fold?


Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($32.20)
BB ($56.10)
Hero ($125)
BTN ($50)

Dealt to Hero J J

Hero raises to $1.50, BTN raises to $4.50, fold, fold, Hero calls $3

FLOP ($9.75) 7 2 9

Hero checks, BTN checks

TURN ($9.75) 7 2 9 Q

Hero checks, BTN bets $5, Hero calls $5

RIVER ($19.75) 7 2 9 Q 3

Hero checks, BTN bets $17.50, Hero

once you check flop and Q turns your hand is basically a bluff catch so i play it like that and call river

you have played it so weakly that you have allowed him to bet the turn and the river with most of his range, and he isnt really repping anything that you dont beat bar a queen, i would defiantely call here and take a note here on how he played the hand if he hpb/turn and vb a queen that big on river or any other funky hands just take a note on it and you will be able to break down what he has on the future with his betting patterns.

he prob thinks you have: 78,910, 1pair types hands that he might be betting so big to try and get you off

why did you not bet out the turn?

i would be 4betting this occasionally and a lot against laggier players

I prob 4bet/call but within 900 hands I suspect I might have forced a dynamic whereby if he's not stacking off lighter he's gonna get ****ed over

Unless I had a sizing read or something I'd call river

flatting>4bet/call? i dont think he gets in any hands that we are massive favourite over apart from 99s/10s as he has no reason to think we would be 4betting light so i think it would sorta suck if he shoved over the 4bet.

JJs play awkwardly oop but with 900 hands on the opponents you should have lots of reads to make many situations easier...like why does he check here after 3betting pre? what hands do you think he would do that with, does he always slow play big pairs and sets but bet out air/weaker hands.

I'm never really in a position where I'm flatting a 3bet pre OOP. As I said, vs this guy, I'd have prob been ****ing around with him already that I would be happy 4bet/calling and if not I'd fold. Plus I have a ******ed obsession with trying in vain to play perfectly balanced.

4bet/call pre

4/bet here given history, the fact you are OOP, his 9% 3-bet percentage, and because he is on the button. His fold to 4 bet matters little unless you know he will only shove with AA, KK, QQ, you're calling a jam.

I don't hate the call here too much, but it's hard to play JJ OOP. However, since you did elect to call I like that you tried to play a smaller pot here. If you wanted to get crazy with a c/r on the flop you could have just put in the 4-bet pre-flop. The only time you get called there is by hands that dominate you. It's probably better to let the villain bluff the turn and river if you're going to take that line. I was watching a Citizenwind video today where he said he was much more likely to call a large river bet than a small/medium bet because the larger bets typically turn out to be bluffs. I like the call on the river here, which could have been a bluff catch as bigheadarch1 mentioned.

what i'm thinking. either he has AQ or KK+ waiting for you to hit a hand. then value town you. When the Q came he probably put that in ur range and bet see if u bite. Once you bite he will be value towning on the river also IMO


I thinkt he river bet he placed is a bit too thin value for AQ maybe a set or KK+ i think. Duno.

Thanks all, there's so many hands and no dynamic because of datamining, which I won't be doing again as the numbers I'm seeing are just more likely to make me spew.

I called like a calling station that I am, thinking his range was either AQ or pure air. But he had 67 and was turning his hand into a bluff, and I actually kinda like that line, as if he bets the flop I probably ship on him given he'll cbet his Ax air type hands.

I was just about to post "don't call, it looks like a value line"! So hats off to him for his line, & hats off to you for sniffing it out & calling, he clearly didn't take you for a station. Might be a lesson there for all of us! WP