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50NL HU - 'what if' we decide to fight back here with Ahigh? 50NL HU - 'what if' we decide to fight back here with Ahigh?

10-05-2009 , 04:30 PM
Okay. Before you tell me to fold, I'm not posting this to hear I should fold.. I'm just having a thought I would like to check up.

Villain is a reg, I am confident he's bluffraising this flop quite often in this situation. We however, have no history. This is the 3rd hand of the match. The default is a fold and it's probably best by far.. but what if we decide to fight back?

I can see an argument for calling, since if he is bluffraising this flop he's never stacking off so there's no value in a ship.. don't think he's ever raise/folding better hands either so no fold equity really.. When I call however, I am giving him a chance to hit his outs..

Then again, if we decide he's bluffraising the flop a decent amount we can then CC alot of turns, am i right?


Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BB): $50.50
BTN/SB: $50.00

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with J A
BTN/SB raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $5, BTN/SB calls $3.50

Flop: ($10.00) K 3 K (2 players)
Hero bets $5.50, BTN/SB raises to $14
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10-05-2009 , 04:50 PM
You have a bluff-catcher (read:showdown value). You can fold, call down to hopefully catch some bluffs, or turn your hand into a bluff.

Raising is already kind of gross because better hands call and worse hands fold.

Flatting is very gross because we're OOP. We'll never be sure if he's bluffing or vbetting later streets, while we would have more information if we were IP.

It's like you're asking, "Which move sets less money on fire? And don't tell me not to set my money on fire! I'm just wondering, if I wanted to set my money on fire, how could I go about burning the least of it?"
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10-05-2009 , 04:53 PM
its only one buy in. just shove here imo. lolcashgameamnets
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10-05-2009 , 06:05 PM
nvm didnt see preflop action.
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10-05-2009 , 06:10 PM
Dude, just fold.
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10-05-2009 , 09:05 PM
i prefer to decide to fight back when i have 77+ since he might be doing something ******ed with 44 type stuff. against the right type of player you could definitely call and c/c most turns though cause they'll like never vbet anything but trips in this way although they realize its a good board to bluff so they go a bit nuts
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10-05-2009 , 09:29 PM
if you want to make a move, call flop, and open shove turn. he will fold 3x, AQ, AK, and all his bluffs that would push you off if you checked turn.
(there are no draws on this board but he would also have to fold draws if you take this line).
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10-05-2009 , 11:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by badboyboogie0
if you want to make a move, call flop, and open shove turn. he will fold 3x, AQ, AK, and all his bluffs that would push you off if you checked turn.
O RLY? + your suggested openjam turn is so bad...
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10-05-2009 , 11:22 PM
if we are taking a stand here - call and be ready to call a lot of turns. maybe c/r AI on like diamond turns and q turns. ideally we'd like to have a slightly better idea of his range here and his image of you. like how deep is this into the match? how have both of you been playing in 3bet pots? whats his f3b%? ahs he been floating or raising your cbets frequently? has he been folding mostly and playing fit or fold ...etc.
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10-06-2009 , 04:30 AM
If you decide to not fold, you call flop then cr/ai on turn if he bets, if it goes c/c on turn, then river i'd just jam*

*depends on turn/riv obv
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10-06-2009 , 05:07 AM
If i'd be planning to call if raised on flop i'd just c/c instead.
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10-06-2009 , 09:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Absurd
If i'd be planning to call if raised on flop i'd just c/c instead.
it's not that easy imo
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10-06-2009 , 10:55 AM
I don't think somebody is bluff raising you on this flop in a three bet bot in the 3rd hand of the match nearly as much as you seem to think so............fold

If you decide to continue you pretty much have to check call any turn. Yes, you are letting him draw to 6 outs sometimes, that is why playing ace high OOP sucks but it is much better than raising flop.
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