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09-05-2010 , 10:22 AM

blackgerbil1

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52/17/1.9with 9.5 3bet over 129hands

fold to 3bet 0% over 2 hands

The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (SB): $56.60
BB: $8.39
UTG: $74.28
MP: $73.12
CO: $77.11
BTN: $50.09

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with Q

UTG raises to $1.50, 3 folds, Hero raises to $5.50, 1 fold, UTG calls $4

Flop: ($11.50) A

(2 players)
Hero bets $5.75, UTG calls $5.75

Turn: ($23.00) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

River: ($23.00) K

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $11.50

insta snap called flop, check turn quick.

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09-05-2010 , 10:25 AM

Spraggy

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what sort of hand can he be bluffing with?

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09-05-2010 , 10:26 AM

blackgerbil1

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Originally Posted by Spraggy

what sort of hand can he be bluffing with?

PP into a bluff, or hands like JT/QT (the latter less likely)

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09-05-2010 , 10:38 AM

Spraggy

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I would think it incredibly unlikely for a fish to be turning any made hand into a bluff. River is a fold I think.

I think your turn check is bad as well.

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09-05-2010 , 10:40 AM

z0mgtiltz

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Bet turn.
Fold river as played.

Don't assume people turn pairs into bluffs until you see that they can.

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09-05-2010 , 10:41 AM

gguk2008

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Sounds like you're levelling yourself into the thought that your hand is super under-repped. The trouble is, on a board like that it doesn't matter. And, it's exactly what it looks like. Less than an Ace.

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09-05-2010 , 10:42 AM

sharkbaitOHH

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bigger pre

bet turn

Last edited by sharkbaitOHH; 09-05-2010 at 10:42 AM. Reason: inb4 you tell us you called the river and are a genius/results oriented

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09-05-2010 , 10:42 AM

Bartlett

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You beat nothing but a stone cold bluff on the river. Villain is passive and unlikely to be bluffing.

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09-05-2010 , 11:00 AM

sexyjesus

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Yeah, what everybody said. Bet fold turn $12.50.
On the river I cant think of a hand that you beat.

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09-05-2010 , 11:03 AM

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blackgerbil1

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why are we betting the turn, what calls us? I dont think any PP is calling another street.

what hands you guys putting him on, he dont rep nothing.

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09-05-2010 , 11:47 AM

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why can't a fish be clicking buttons with Ax/Kx/diamonds? what kind of river betting range do you give him? missed draws?

betting turn because we think we have the best hand, that he does call another street with a PP and to make the hand easier to play.

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09-05-2010 , 11:54 AM

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blackgerbil1

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Originally Posted by sharkbaitOHH

i think they are checking back all Kx pair hands on the river, most likely bluffing with PP because its pretty obvious what my hand is.

they have vpip of 50% and 0% f3b, so they can easily have 87 97 tx or some other junk hand.

I am asking what range people are giving him based on there line? i cant think of a hand

I agree with your 2nd sentence more or less.

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09-05-2010 , 12:13 PM

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Waayoo

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Originally Posted by blackgerbil1

why are we betting the turn, what calls us? I dont think any PP is calling another street.

what hands you guys putting him on, he dont rep nothing.

Ax obv and KQ, KJ,77,TT and maybe even KK (but KK high likely not)
Once you check turn and river he knows you don't got an ace and he could be valuebtting Kx
Just fold river

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09-05-2010 , 12:48 PM

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blackgerbil1

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Originally Posted by Waayoo

Ax obv and KQ, KJ,77,TT and maybe even KK (but KK high likely not)
Once you check turn and river he knows you don't got an ace and he could be valuebtting Kx
Just fold river

that range is a bit off for a 50vpip dont you think?

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09-05-2010 , 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by sharkbaitOHH

bigger pre

bet turn

why bigger pre?

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09-05-2010 , 12:57 PM

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blackgerbil1

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Originally Posted by trampstamp

why bigger pre?

coz they aint folding to 3bets.

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09-05-2010 , 01:41 PM

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Waayoo

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Originally Posted by blackgerbil1

that range is a bit off for a 50vpip dont you think?

Well that's prob his range that beats us OTR
You don't agree?

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09-05-2010 , 02:00 PM

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blackgerbil1

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Originally Posted by Waayoo

Well that's prob his range that beats us OTR
You don't agree?

well obz they all beat my hand, but the guy has a vpip of 50%, i doubt there range is even that strong.

fwiw he had

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I timed till like 3 secs because there line made no sense and i went with HR ability

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09-05-2010 , 02:04 PM

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Spraggy

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bad call and got fortunate with his hand imo.

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09-05-2010 , 02:05 PM

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sdunsmb

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I hate this spot, I think I fold here a lot of the time TBH because I dont really expect players like this guy to be bluffing half pot on this river + Diamonds got there.

.....Good call though, maybe Id make the call with reads

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09-05-2010 , 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by blackgerbil1

but the guy has a vpip of 50%

His vpip has nothing to do with how he plays postflop.

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09-05-2010 , 02:21 PM

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Megloooo

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Originally Posted by Spraggy

what sort of hand can he be bluffing with?

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Originally Posted by Spraggy

I would think it incredibly unlikely for a fish to be turning any made hand into a bluff. River is a fold I think.

I think your turn check is bad as well.

this

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also pokerstove can sort this out

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09-05-2010 , 02:23 PM

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blackgerbil1

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Originally Posted by Bartlett

His vpip has nothing to do with how he plays postflop.

how do you mean, are you saying from looking at someones VPIP that gives us no indication of how they play post flop?

most likely if someone is playing 50vpip they play very badly postflop.

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09-05-2010 , 02:23 PM

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GOONERCAM

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given the amount of gutshots, open enders and flush draws that missed, combined with the fact i don't think he ever has Ax nor can valuebet Kx here i call

i bet the turn though

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09-05-2010 , 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GOONERCAM

given the amount of gutshots, open enders and flush draws that missed, combined with the fact i don't think he ever has Ax nor can valuebet Kx here i call

i bet the turn though

KJ,KQ are gutshots and the fd hit. QJ gutshot hit. We are literally bluffcatching vs busted draws to the bottom end of the straight - too small a part of his range.

I guess you would say call though now that you see he had a busted gutter. Fish.

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