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11-04-2009 , 01:29 PM

#26

richjoyce

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Grunching:

Hero is repping [A9, AT, AJ, KQhh, KJhh, QJhh, 22-TT, 23s, 67s, JcJs]
Hero has [AJ, KQhh, KJhh, QJhh, 66-88, TT, JcJs]

I feel like I'm missing a hand or two

edit: duh after reading the replies, 45s and 89s/9Ts are in there (both ranges)

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11-04-2009 , 01:30 PM

#27

potpotshove

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Originally Posted by ugotbicked

I think c/r TT/JJ on that flop is a mistake, but that's just me. I do think those are the most logical hands here, or you got there after c/r A high on the flop, which also doesn't make any sense.

can we not c/r bluff Ax on the flop?

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11-04-2009 , 01:32 PM

#28

MikeGotNuts

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I think what villain has is much more interesting...

Hero almost always has K9, TT, JJ - and these hands are also the very worse part of his range. He could possibly have better than these hands, but if he does it's pretty clear that this play is atrocious (and maybe with the correct meta game spectacular?).

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11-04-2009 , 01:32 PM

#29

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I'd like to say that I think aggo took a HH from some noob and said it was two tags and set us to work, when in reality this is kind of a ******ed line with anything

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11-04-2009 , 01:33 PM

#30

ugotbicked

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Originally Posted by potpotshove

can we not c/r bluff Ax on the flop?

To accomplish what? I guess it makes villian fold exactly 66-88 (maybe) but I think if we successfully c/r bluff with A high on the flop, we had the best hand.

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11-04-2009 , 01:34 PM

#31

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Also, if hero is even a little bit good, he should never be c/c the turn with 67.

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11-04-2009 , 01:34 PM

#32

dspyguy

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i think 66-88 or 1010 because i think youd 3bet any higher pairs then 10s pre and it doesnt look like a set because i dont think you would check call the turn card

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11-04-2009 , 01:36 PM

#33

potpotshove

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Originally Posted by gateswi

I'd like to say that I think aggo took a HH from some noob and said it was two tags and set us to work, when in reality this is kind of a ******ed line with anything

someone did their homework

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11-04-2009 , 01:37 PM

#34

whirleymob

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Originally Posted by gateswi

I'd like to say that I think aggo took a HH from some noob and said it was two tags and set us to work, when in reality this is kind of a ******ed line with anything

This is right but less fun. There arent really any hands which he can have which wouldnt have the qualifier "a poorly played" in front of it. I think JJ is the hand which is the least of a stretch.

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11-04-2009 , 01:38 PM

#35

potpotshove

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Originally Posted by ugotbicked

Also, if hero is even a little bit good, he should never be c/c the turn with 67.

this is true.

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11-04-2009 , 01:39 PM

#36

fattony7891

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This thread is prob a level

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11-04-2009 , 01:40 PM

#37

gateswi

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I have a read on the exclamation point in the title

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11-04-2009 , 01:42 PM

#38

aggo

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Originally Posted by gateswi

I have a read on the exclamation point in the title

LOL gogogogog

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11-04-2009 , 01:42 PM

#39

MDoranD

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we payed for the river wont you give it to us?

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11-04-2009 , 01:43 PM

#40

fattony7891

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this is super super interesting so far. I must be a donk...

I have read on this post.

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11-04-2009 , 01:43 PM

#41

aggo

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Originally Posted by MDoranD

we payed for the river wont you give it to us?

LOL no, inconsequential for the point im trying (or going) to make

now tell me what hero reps and what hero has or whatever you want.

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11-04-2009 , 01:44 PM

#42

gateswi

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aggo I really deserve something because I read this thread first

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11-04-2009 , 01:48 PM

#43

MDoranD

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idk if im Hero its a much more ******ed range than if Hero is your standard 50nl TAG. Standard 50nl TAG has TT/JJ/98 type hands

I think the last time i personally took a line like this i had AK and bet called river

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11-04-2009 , 01:52 PM

#44

MikeGotNuts

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Originally Posted by MDoranD

was ak good

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11-04-2009 , 01:54 PM

#45

MDoranD

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it was way good

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11-04-2009 , 01:56 PM

#46

djoyce003

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if you think villain can handread, and knows hero, Hero is repping a set, TP, or an overpair on the flop with an outside chance at a draw, but IMO checkraising a draw OOP is terrible. The turn c/c to me pretty much means hero is repping, and has something like A9, T9, 89, JJ or a terribly played draw. I think a set checkraises the turn, and villain won't put hero on a set at this point.

Villain likely has a set he slowplayed, or something like AK....villain himself might have the oesd and decided to bluff at the ace.

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11-04-2009 , 01:57 PM

#47

MikeGotNuts

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Originally Posted by MDoranD

it was way good

67?

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11-04-2009 , 01:59 PM

#48

martin9_90

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call turn shove over any river bet

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11-04-2009 , 02:02 PM

#49

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Hero has TT or JJ. Checked turn because betting that would fold better hands (except draws) and villain will often bluff with worse and rarely has any A in his range after flop action. Still I think this is a very iffy line, because it pretty much commits us to chckcall a blank river when we showed weakness on turn.