I don't even know if the stats of the villain matters, but fwiw he was 21/13 with an AF of 4.5 over 50 hands. There are 2 big draws out, but I doubt he has 9J or something like that considering he was raising UTG, he could have Ax of hearts though.

Are people raising here to protect, or calling to trap?

Side note: BB is massive calling station fish that would overcall in this spot with Q high, but would probably fold if I raise.

What are most of you likely to do in this spot?? Call and ship a non heart turn?? or just raise it up now. It's totally in his range to have AJ no hearts, so he could just have A high here, which would fold to a raise now, but would definately bet an A, J, or safe turn with his high AF.


Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 39491
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BB: $12.75
UTG: $49.70
MP: $66.80
CO: $50.70
Hero (BTN): $47.50
SB: $50.00

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with 3 3
UTG raises to $2, 2 folds, Hero calls $2, 1 fold, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($6.25) 8 3 T (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $4, Hero ponders life and...

raises.

Also, I wouldnt consider this a totally coordinated board, especially considering the UTG raiser is unlikely to have many straight draws in this spot.

But YOU are which is why he's so likely to stack off with JJ+ and you take his stack.

Are you suggesting this to get max value while we are almost definately ahead, or because of the board texture..??

Both. Once the flush or OESD cards hit, your chance to get the stacks in against weaker hands take a nosedive. So get the money in when he can put you on lots of draws and few big made hands.

Edit: and you get more money if villain has a draw, but that goes without saying.

Oh, so you think we should be raising to rep a combo draw, and get him to ship in overpairs and maybe even AK/AT??

We don't have to rep a combo draw.
All we have to do is he see's a drawy board.
Assuming you will do this with draws also

The entire thought behind semibluffing with draws is that you play your monsters the same way. Also, if you call and any connecting card hits, it's gonna kill your action. It doesn't matter wether he puts you on 2 pair, a straight or a flush when you hold a set, because it all beats his queens. Try to get it in now.

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Interesting. I find it very close to a call. Are there any supporters of a call out there?

raise it up there protect ur hand... make him pay to draw if he wants to get it on, get it in

@OP say you call and turn is Jh.

What do you do when he pots it?

Easy jam, villain likely has an overpair with a heart, or AJ with the ace of hearts or so. Thing is, villain probably WONT pot a Jh turn, since it's such a good card for our range and a bad one for his. While you might have stacked him on the flop, you won't on the turn anymore.

I can't say I would ever call in this situation. The fish calling wouldn't be too dangerous for you, because even if he hits his miracle gutshot or whatever he doesn't have much money left to put in the pot.

But I think the villain is almost always shutting down on the turn with hands like AJ, AQ, AK on the turn (unless he hits), and is more likely to be c-betting JJ+ than A-J+, so it's definitely better to get it in now. You don't want an ace to peel and then J-J to K-K starts playing pot control, or worse, check/folds.

Just raise to 10 and if you get a fold, no big deal; you won a pot.

I think it's also kind of hard to represent anything like 10-x in this spot. A set really hits your range, because I don't think there are many 10-x hands you call with pre. Maybe a call on the flop might look like j-10 trying to play pot control or something but I doubt players at this level are really thinking too much into that...

there are lots of draws on this flop and 2 opponents you must raise it

plz raise

I'd raise. To hell with trapping him/them. Raise it up, see where you're at.

Raise in this spot IMO, i'd make it $12.