888 Poker - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 19.20, PFR: 15.56, 3Bet Preflop: 5.46, Hands: 2,540)
Hero (SB): 201.2 BB
BB: 117.62 BB (VPIP: 46.11, PFR: 24.44, 3Bet Preflop: 5.17, Hands: 183)
UTG: 197.9 BB (VPIP: 27.98, PFR: 18.40, 3Bet Preflop: 4.52, Hands: 2,668)
CO: 149.5 BB (VPIP: 26.72, PFR: 18.25, 3Bet Preflop: 7.20, Hands: 391)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J 8

fold, CO raises to 2.86 BB, fold, Hero calls 2.36 BB, BB calls 1.86 BB

Flop: (8.58 BB, 3 players) 9 8 J
Hero bets 6.42 BB, fold, CO raises to 27.84 BB, Hero calls 21.42 BB

Turn: (64.26 BB, 2 players) A
Hero checks, CO bets 32.12 BB, Hero raises to 154 BB, fold

Hero wins 123 BB


i know a lot of people might advocate for a 3bet preflop from the small blind but we're relatively deep and i don't mind letting the BB in and going multiway since i'm playing this hand to flop something better than just top pair.

flop - i choose to donk because if i were the PFR i would check back this board texture with the majority of my range but there is a good chance that one of the other two players connected with it. when i get raised i'm putting him on QTs, sets, QQ+, KQ/KQ ... maybe AK . idk if he opens QTo from the CO but it's definitely possible. i don't think i have the nuts here but i still feel like i can get it in against worse often enough.
i think i would prefer myself to 3bet here so i can jam non spade turns.

turn - i'm still trying to get money in since i chose not to 3bet the flop. maybe i could have donked again rather than xr? my xr is also HUGE which i think must have been a misclick. OOP and on this board texture i would probably be going for like 115-130 bb . any thoughts on that sizing?

You're not gonna get it in against worse, you're mostly denying equity.

Every single action in this hand is un-orthodox for me and I don't like any of it!
As played, you obv overplayed your hand and you just got folds from hands that you were far ahead of!
If on the flop or turn you get the money in you are at best case scenario fliping vs a combo draw but more likely drawing nearly dead imo...

On turn you are raising 4x to effective 120BB, villian doesn't have more. Don't think it's that bad. It's that we can't do this with bluffs

oh right... it was an effective shove. i was kind of delirious when i posted this. i really need to start sleeping more. i'm not so much worried about balancing with bluffs here because i'm never expecting to fold out strong made hands. i'm just trying to induce him to make a mistake and call with some kind of combo draw that isn't getting the right odds with only one card to come.

do you prefer just calling down on safe runouts?

Preflop is really bad.
Shove flop.

If we get in ott vs. a combo draw, it's no longer coin flipping. We're going to be a 2:1 favorite.

On the turn yes.
But most likely scenario is going to be AIOTF

If I ever was in there with the action pre, yes I think calling down is the best play

just to clarify when you say shove - do you still like a donk on this flop? or you're just saying AP since we already donked to 3bet AI

preflop, i know most good players employ a 3bet or fold strategy from the sb and this hand is probably a fold for most. i like mixing in flats and 3bets with these type of hands but that's just me. i haven't run any reports to see if i'm actually profitable doing this but i'm comfortable with it.

glgl

It's OK to feel comfortable with what you are doing.
But here, anyone who expresses his opinion have some kind of logic behind it that the way they're doing it is probably better(at least I have)
When you flat in SB
1- you miss the opportunity to pick up the pot pre flop vs a wide range of LP openners who are mist likely clueless how to defend properly vs 3bets.
2- anything blow 500NL has relatively high rake, so it's best to try and take the pot down without paying rake
3- when you flat your range is almost face up most of the time and a competent player can play vs this range relatively easy(you are capped etc...)
4- You don't have initiative in the hand with a capped, face up range (which leads to you donking here! Which I don't think there is much donking going on in any reasonable strategy other than in BB)
And so on.

The reasoning behind flatting SB that you mentioned (with all due respect) is silly and has nothing to do with poker!
It's like saying "I like limping AA UTG to get people in"
Yes, once in a blue moon you get to put in a backraise, but which way is more +EV?

This and ainec.

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fold pre, or possibly 3bet. fold flop