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50NL Flop overshove 160bb deep 50NL Flop overshove 160bb deep

09-09-2009 , 04:41 PM
I only have 49 hands on this player, he's 69/12 pre, aggression of 1.0 (31%). Not sure what to make of this flop massive overshove. Obviously, I like my top 2, but what could he do this with? Obviously sets and straights in his range, but would he just open shove that?

Oh and I didn't realize at the time that he left himself a quarter...

Absolute/UB Cereus No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (7 handed) - Absolute/UB Cereus Replayer from Poker Hands Replayer



Button ($30.27)
SB ($23.11)
BB ($81.50)
UTG ($39.65)
MP1 ($84.17)
MP2 ($33.40)
Hero (CO) ($125.62)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, K
2 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, Hero bets $2.75, Button calls $2.75, 1 fold, BB calls $2.25, MP2 calls $2.25

Flop: ($11.25) 10, K, A (4 players)
BB bets $78.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $78.50, 1 fold

Turn: ($168.25) Q (2 players)
BB raises to $0.25 (All-In), Hero calls $0.25

River: ($168.75) 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $168.75 | Rake: $3.50
50NL Flop overshove 160bb deep Quote
09-09-2009 , 04:58 PM
Call this all day IMO. A 69/12 is sooooo bad. They will most likely bet/shove with any part of the board. If he has set or straight then there is nothing you can do about it. But making this call from a player like this over time is +EV IMO.
50NL Flop overshove 160bb deep Quote
09-09-2009 , 05:43 PM
This player gets a hard-on every time he thinks of a pair and a gutshot.

I call everytime.
50NL Flop overshove 160bb deep Quote
09-09-2009 , 09:02 PM
Ok great, just wanted to make sure I wasn't just being results oriented.

Thanks!
50NL Flop overshove 160bb deep Quote
09-09-2009 , 09:45 PM
If you haven't seen him do this before it's one massively gross spot given that he's shipping 160 bb into 4 people (including you). Here's a reasonable range that includes 2pair hands, sets, and straights

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

44,550 games 0.005 secs 8,910,000 games/sec

Board: Ts Kh Ac
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 55.999% 51.15% 04.85% 22787 2160.50 { AsKs }
Hand 1: 44.001% 39.15% 04.85% 17442 2160.50 { TT, ATs+, QJs, ATo+, QJo }

This range includes hands like AQ and AJ (which I think are a lot less likely) and it really looks to be about a flip. Now..having the 22.5 bb in the pot as (hopefully) dead money is a nice compensation, but given the variance on the play (and the lack of a significant equity advantage) I don't hate a fold here, to be perfectly honest.
50NL Flop overshove 160bb deep Quote
09-10-2009 , 01:20 AM
cool hand replayer. As a sissy 2nl player, all I can say is that I would fold. Thats why you guys play 50nl.
50NL Flop overshove 160bb deep Quote
09-10-2009 , 01:28 AM
Fold turn imo.

j/k, I'm calling flop (and turn) all day long here.
50NL Flop overshove 160bb deep Quote
09-10-2009 , 01:35 AM
def fold turn.
50NL Flop overshove 160bb deep Quote
09-10-2009 , 02:01 AM
lost to JT?
50NL Flop overshove 160bb deep Quote
09-10-2009 , 02:38 AM
You have to call. Overshoves are weak 97.725% of the time...
50NL Flop overshove 160bb deep Quote
09-10-2009 , 09:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RapidEvolution
If you haven't seen him do this before it's one massively gross spot given that he's shipping 160 bb into 4 people (including you). Here's a reasonable range that includes 2pair hands, sets, and straights

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

44,550 games 0.005 secs 8,910,000 games/sec

Board: Ts Kh Ac
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 55.999% 51.15% 04.85% 22787 2160.50 { AsKs }
Hand 1: 44.001% 39.15% 04.85% 17442 2160.50 { TT, ATs+, QJs, ATo+, QJo }

This range includes hands like AQ and AJ (which I think are a lot less likely) and it really looks to be about a flip. Now..having the 22.5 bb in the pot as (hopefully) dead money is a nice compensation, but given the variance on the play (and the lack of a significant equity advantage) I don't hate a fold here, to be perfectly honest.
This is kinda what I was thinking/wondering about. I did call and my 2pr held against his 2pr (KT) fortunately. But I was close to folding the flop and then was wondering what was a realistic range for him would be. That's why I wanted to see if others thought it was an ok call.

So it seems the consensus is call is going to be good most of the time, but with this range it is really pretty close. Although I think a shove with a straight would be a bad move by him.

Anyway, thanks!
50NL Flop overshove 160bb deep Quote
09-10-2009 , 09:20 AM
this is an insta call.

Donks love to slowplay when they have huge hands anyway. This kind of move is a lot of "burnt showdown value" where they have a hand but not a great one, for some reason they just click and pray.
50NL Flop overshove 160bb deep Quote
09-10-2009 , 09:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RapidEvolution
If you haven't seen him do this before it's one massively gross spot given that he's shipping 160 bb into 4 people (including you). Here's a reasonable range that includes 2pair hands, sets, and straights

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

44,550 games 0.005 secs 8,910,000 games/sec

Board: Ts Kh Ac
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 55.999% 51.15% 04.85% 22787 2160.50 { AsKs }
Hand 1: 44.001% 39.15% 04.85% 17442 2160.50 { TT, ATs+, QJs, ATo+, QJo }

This range includes hands like AQ and AJ (which I think are a lot less likely) and it really looks to be about a flip. Now..having the 22.5 bb in the pot as (hopefully) dead money is a nice compensation, but given the variance on the play (and the lack of a significant equity advantage) I don't hate a fold here, to be perfectly honest.
Quote:
Originally Posted by allabout
This is kinda what I was thinking/wondering about. I did call and my 2pr held against his 2pr (KT) fortunately. But I was close to folding the flop and then was wondering what was a realistic range for him would be. That's why I wanted to see if others thought it was an ok call.

So it seems the consensus is call is going to be good most of the time, but with this range it is really pretty close. Although I think a shove with a straight would be a bad move by him.

Anyway, thanks!
Nice stove range. The nice thing about this is that the $11.25 in the pot acts as overlay on your edge. You are getting 1.14:1 on the call meaning you only need 46% equity to breakeven on the call leaving you with a 10% gap in your required vs actual equity --> profit.
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