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10-22-2009 , 08:27 PM

adairmorgan

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Villain here is 29/22 over 43... Probably shouldn'tve popped it up PF in the first place. Should I have not folded here?!

Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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BTN: $49.60
SB: $10.25
BB: $61.65
UTG: $16.90
UTG+1: $36.35
Hero (MP1): $55.70
MP2: $10.00
CO: $8.20

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is MP1 with Q

1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.25, 2 folds, BTN calls $2.25, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $1.75

Flop: ($7.50) Q

(3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $4, BTN raises to $16, UTG+1 folds, Hero folds

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10-22-2009 , 09:04 PM

JohnnyHardcore0

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His range for flatting the button is probably wide enough that you can at least call and reevaluate the turn getting over 2:1. Folding is a bit too nitty imo.

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10-22-2009 , 09:16 PM

hodgie19

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I dont think someone tries a bluff here with two people in the pot. I think you see 55 Q10 a lot and sometimes KJ.

Last edited by hodgie19; 10-22-2009 at 09:27 PM.

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10-22-2009 , 09:25 PM

johnnytt

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Originally Posted by JohnnyHardcore0

His range for flatting the button is probably wide enough that you can at least call and reevaluate the turn getting over 2:1. Folding is a bit too nitty imo.

What hands do we beat that he would raise flop with? QJ? maybe KJ? What is you plan on the turn when he fires again as he will almost everytime especially since we are OOP?

I think I just let it go without any real read although villian does look aggressive.

Pre flop is fine OP.

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10-22-2009 , 10:02 PM

Spaceball

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Well played imo. If he was a little looser then I maybe calldown here, but given your sample on him I think folding is pretty much correct.

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10-22-2009 , 10:23 PM

fieldyb

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i'm not villain but i do this sometimes against nitty regs and i find it profitable. but i won't raise to 16, more like 12.5 or so....

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10-22-2009 , 11:02 PM

speedle

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Oh god no, call and stack off on the turn.

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10-23-2009 , 12:04 AM

johnnytt

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Originally Posted by speedle

Oh god no, call and stack off on the turn.

Can we expect him to stack off with like QJ or something enough to make this profitable? Or we just assuming he has air here?

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10-23-2009 , 12:07 AM

speedle

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Originally Posted by johnnytt

Can we expect him to stack off with like QJ or something enough to make this profitable? Or we just assuming he has air here?

Air, open enders, gutshots and a overcard, worse Q's, etc

I think his raising range tends towards those kind of hands. You'd expect him to flat 2 pairs, sets and overpairs with a guy left to act.

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10-23-2009 , 12:33 AM

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adairmorgan

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I dunno.... i think my fold was good.. there will be other spots

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10-23-2009 , 01:12 AM

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fieldyb

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Originally Posted by speedle

You'd expect him to flat 2 pairs, sets and overpairs with a guy left to act.

This! Like I said previously, when someone limps and a good reg raise to isolate, it can be a good spot to call behind in position and then play flop and turn somewhat similarly to what villain did here....

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10-23-2009 , 11:25 AM

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speedle

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Originally Posted by adairmorgan

I dunno.... i think my fold was good.. there will be other spots

Sure there will! Wait till you have KK+ preflop or until you flop a set..... then you'll wonder why your winrate (if positive) is so low.

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10-23-2009 , 01:14 PM

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EstrlM3

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Originally Posted by speedle

Air, open enders, gutshots and a overcard, worse Q's, etc

I think his raising range tends towards those kind of hands. You'd expect him to flat 2 pairs, sets and overpairs with a guy left to act.

I vote for 2 pair.

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10-23-2009 , 01:27 PM

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speedle

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if you're looking for reasons to fold, you might as well vote for a set since there's only 1 type of 2 pair he can have here

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10-23-2009 , 02:13 PM

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SaberTJ

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The preflop raise is fine.

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10-23-2009 , 02:41 PM

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Baja15

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Originally Posted by adairmorgan

I dunno.... i think my fold was good.. there will be other spots

COMPLETLEY THE WRONG WAY TO THINK ABOUT CASH GAME POKER

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10-23-2009 , 02:57 PM

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Matt24242

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I think this is really close, at 50nl he is raising all sets AQ,KQ,QJ,QT, and draws here, and possibly AA,KK if he decided to get fancy. i don't mind folding at all, defenitely not calling his raise though, shove or fold imo. He never has complete air here, so if your going to play get it in now.

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10-23-2009 , 03:19 PM

#18

Doboyfusion

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Villain played this hand really well since he got you to fold the best hand

he's not raising sets that big with oe person left to act and such a dry board unless he is a losing player...

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10-23-2009 , 03:30 PM

#19

SammyG-SD

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Originally Posted by speedle

Oh god no, call and stack off on the turn.

that is what I was thinking, what the heck raises here? He is wasting money if he has a set..maybe two pair? I think this is a semibluff/bluff most of the time.

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10-23-2009 , 03:51 PM

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lancelott_

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you never raise a flopped set here? seems crazy oO. I do wan`t to call and stackoff any turn (except mb Ax/J for unknown reason), but its veeery marginal if it is +EV at all, and i can see a clear(?) fold on the paper here.. Not enough info yet 23/19 over 43 with no other reads or whatever it was could be a good player, could be spewtard..

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10-23-2009 , 06:59 PM

#21

pierrot_lune

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for me it's a clea fold here. he probably have 55 or QT.

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10-23-2009 , 07:10 PM

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stry67

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Originally Posted by JohnnyHardcore0

His range for flatting the button is probably wide enough that you can at least call and reevaluate the turn getting over 2:1. Folding is a bit too nitty imo.

A leak.

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10-23-2009 , 07:23 PM

#23

AbsoluteTilt

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I'm not a 29-22 but I certainly have hands that look like 29-22 over 43 hand size sample, I would take this line with a set, can someone explain why we would call and stack turn? If we thought he was doing this with a draw, shouldn't we push this flop now? My reasoning for raising with a set here is because I do not want to slow play a set multi-way when someone easily could have KJ. The bet sizing might be tell, I think if he wants action he would make it around 13 with a set. For those who said call and stack off turn, why that instead of shipping flop?

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10-24-2009 , 02:45 PM

#24

hodgie19

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It comes down to this. If we call we are basically playing for stacks. Do we want to play for stacks with Top pair second best kicker?

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