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50NL deep, do i call river shove??? 50NL deep, do i call river shove???

06-17-2008 , 05:23 PM
Villan is 17/12 over 40 hands, solid plays AFIK.
Im running crazy that session 37/31.....

Party Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
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UTG: $13.32
BTN: $68.38
Hero (SB): $89.42
BB: $125.47

Pre-Flop: 4 A dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG calls $0.50, BTN folds, Hero calls $0.25, BB checks

Flop: ($1.50) 6 5 7 (3 Players)
Hero bets $1, BB raises to $3.50, UTG calls $3.50, Hero calls $2.50

Turn: ($12) 3 (3 Players)
Hero bets $6, BB raises to $23, UTG folds, Hero calls $17

River: ($58) 2 (2 Players)
Hero checks, BB bets $98.47 and is All-In, Hero??????

I hate idiot sraights ... Can i call? Only 89 and 84 beats me but he has shown streanght on every street ...

Guyz help plz, i was so confuzed that hand....
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06-17-2008 , 07:37 PM
I would fold pf unless utg is a drooler. The flop is an easy easy fold vs everybody, it is really bad. Your implied odds are non-existant and your reverse implied odds are huge. You say you hate idiot straights, so wtf are you doing on the flop? The rest of the hand is not confusing at all, fold to the turn raise.
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06-17-2008 , 07:49 PM
Fold preflop, fold the flop as played (check/folding is better). Also as played get away from it either on the turn or the river.
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06-17-2008 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Waingro
I would fold pf unless utg is a drooler. The flop is an easy easy fold vs everybody, it is really bad. Your implied odds are non-existant and your reverse implied odds are huge. You say you hate idiot straights, so wtf are you doing on the flop? The rest of the hand is not confusing at all, fold to the turn raise.
I really dont understand your post...
Ok should've folded PF.
On the flop i have 5.3/1 odds for my OESD (idiot end but still) so how's that an easy fold? Wouldnt a fold here be weak?
And about ipm. odds being non-existant? BB has a stack of 120 and UTG has about 9. What do u mean?

Turn... There's only 2 hands that can beat me and he could be on 2P or trip so hows that an easy fold after i got my straight?
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06-17-2008 , 08:17 PM
I guess Waingro is saying that with the flop if a further connected card comes out it's a very obvious possible straight making hand - a good player without a chance of making the straight folds quickly hence, your implied odds are reduced.

I'd probably re-raise turn all in and spew
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06-17-2008 , 08:18 PM
Grunch

I'd say 8/4 is a very very unlikely hand for him. Maybe 8/9s. I think his most likely hand is a set or two pair. I'd say it's hard to fold the straight when only 8/9 beats you

Last edited by VEfreak; 06-17-2008 at 08:22 PM. Reason: Needed to add one more thing
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06-17-2008 , 08:57 PM
given the way played till the turn, after the bet and the raise, i would have shoved, there is really no point in calling, because no matter what card comes on the river, you will not be helped, after your call on turn, if the villian bets out big in position(which obviously will, because of the strength he is showing) , then no card is going to be make you feel optimistic about your hand, and his aggression is going to make you doubtful about your hand .

i would have shoved on him turn after his re-raise. also, i don't know how exactly the player style is, but in a vaccum his play is very "rushed" and he is playing it very defensively, you would think that on the turn, he would have raised you a little less, because he does have the absolute nut, rainbow board, most players would at least raises something like $13-17 just so you don't fold.

given as played, turn shove is where i would differ from your play
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06-17-2008 , 10:27 PM
Only one option - call the all in.
From the history putting him on 89 or 84 is a pretty unlikely - looks to me an overpair and a shutdown shove for fear of a straight.
Afterall, what cards were you looking for to play A4? You're hoping for a straight - you got it - play it out
Only error seems to be the turn play - probably should've shoved the re-raise
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06-17-2008 , 11:15 PM
Fold to the flop raise. You're drawing to the sucker str8 and half of your outs aren't even clean. As played the fact that villain raised a 4 str8 on the turn should have you worried. If he had a set that turn should have slowed him down a bit. I mean its possible hes going nuts and overplaying a set but I don't think so. I think hes hoping you have a 4 and hes hoping you cant fold it.
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06-17-2008 , 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Thrahl
Fold to the flop raise. You're drawing to the sucker str8 and half of your outs aren't even clean. As played the fact that villain raised a 4 str8 on the turn should have you worried. If he had a set that turn should have slowed him down a bit. I mean its possible hes going nuts and overplaying a set but I don't think so. I think hes hoping you have a 4 and hes hoping you cant fold it.
If villain is at this level then we have to re-evaluate this whole situation before we call the flop raise.

If he can turn a made set like 66 here into a bluffshove on the river hoping you can fold a 4 here then just applaud him and move on.

And as for 84 not being in his range, of course it is. It's an unopen pot and he checks it from the BB.

I'd like an AF stat on villain here. Unless he's wacko agressive here he's not betting out a 4 on an idiotdraw. There's a chance we're splitting with something like 6c4c which is completely in his range and would follow this line a good portion of the time.

How about if hero holds 84 here. Snapcall?
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06-17-2008 , 11:33 PM
84 is a call but a with a naked 4 were just calling and hoping for a chop, which in general is bad, but vs a nit its terrible.
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