[converted_hand][hand_history]$0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
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CO: $52.02 (104 bb)
BTN: $29.25 (58.5 bb)
SB: $52.49 (105 bb)
BB: $70.20 (140.4 bb)
UTG+1: $92.39 (184.8 bb)
UTG+2: $41.98 (84 bb)
MP1: $23.71 (47.4 bb)
MP2: $43.43 (86.9 bb)
Hero (MP3): $101.68 (203.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 2 2
UTG+1 raises to $1.12, 3 folds, Hero calls $1.12, 4 folds

Flop: ($2.99) 6 2 5 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

Turn: ($7.99) 6 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $5.99, UTG+1 raises to $21, Hero raises to $36.01, UTG+1 raises to $88.77 and is all-in, Hero calls $52.76

River: ($185.53) 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $185.53 pot ($4.00 rake)
Final Board: 6 2 5 6 9
UTG+1 showed 5 5 and won $181.53 ($89.14 net)
Hero showed 2 2 and lost (-$92.39 net)

Villain is 21/16 reg. We have some history of playing back at each other, but mostly late in position and from the blinds. He has started to 4bet me light. Is this a cooler or could I have gotten away from it? Different line perhaps? Thanks

I don't re-raise the turn, we're scaring off the few hands we do beat that could have taken this line (AA KK QQ)

But you'll have probably lost your stack either way... Set over set is always a cooler

This. Usually what happens, especially when the board pairs. I'm getting it in.

no, obviously it is not, if you don't know this then you shouldn't be playing 50nl. Sorry to sound rude but this an absolute no-brainer.

At the risk of losing credibility for saying this, I don't think this deep this is a cooler.

Fwiw, this is definitely not true. Just figured I'd tell you. Thinking like ''herpderp set need stack off'' is rather bad because there's plenty of situations where set over set just isn't a cooler. or I should say, plenty of spots vs certain villains.

Fwiw, on this board, this deep vs a not fishy player I don't see why we have a 3betting range on the flop. We're overplaying our hand, giving villain the chance to fold his bluffs(doubt he plays AA/KK like this fwiw, also doubt he bluffs but still) and I seriously doubt you guys have build any form of dynamic that suggests this is ever anything else but a set over set(or 56s) situation at an FR table.

I'm also definitely not 3betting this flop.
Btw. if we call UTGs raise - What if he bets big on the turn? You calling?
And river?

100% agree
you obv mean turn, but i 100% agree.

3betting turn is actually really bad with any hand here.

Fold PF unless there's a drooler behind

I thought calling was fine provided there isn't a habitual squeezer behind? Hero is in position against a laggy deep stack with a hand that can flop big. Just sucks that he was outflopped on this occasion.

Why do you dissagree?

i don't play 50 but a set of 22s in a deep pot against a reg it´s not like a super sick big hand... get overseted a ton.

in the book "easy game" there is a good chapter about the coolers and relationeted with deep play, talks about hands like this one, and that its not like always " its a coller it happens"...

what is sick is that in 5cents games ( offcourse people are awful just too nitty and a lol game) but, to a 400bb pot - 20 bucks lol, in this spot (regs nits and soke donkeys) they will show off with quads and top set almost everytime, it´s kinda sick lol.

Bold claim.

Font: easy game - Andrew Seidman, Chapter 25

Kind of obvious but as stacks get deeper and deepers people's stack off ranges get narrower and narrower until it's only the nuts. Villain does seem to be a laggy reg but since he's not a fish his stack off range this deep is pretty much only boats especially since his opening range from EP is tight and he knows that you know that. Since you have the worst possible boat, you're behind his entire stack off range. I'd call the turn raise for pot control.

The guy's playing a fairly wide range so our implied odds somewhat drop and he also 2.25xed which is gonna encourage other people to join the party behind us when we really want to be able to utilise position here. I'd most likely flat the hand in the CO though so flatting in the HJ can't be terrible.

No, Ranges still include bluffcatchers even for absurd amounts of xx*Pot

There was a discussion that even 10000BB deep one should not fold the nutflush on 3connected+same color board(i.e. Axs on 567s) (assuming a reasonable potsize for the river and not 2 BB)

It basicly boiled down to calling 99% (or some absurd high number) and folding the rest of the times

In real live tho one could make an argument for just never folding this and wouldnt play that much of from gto

Also if you only call with the nuts(like folding Khi flush on 3 of that suit) then you will lose money, you still have to bluffcatch otherwise the opponent will bet 100% of the time and you will muck 99%.

Anything above can be said to stackoffranges too...

To go ahead and echo what's already been said, 3 betting turn period is just bad for all the previously stated reasons. Also, It's a cooler, but potentially one that could have been avoided. We do have FH but it's the nut low FH against a seemingly very solid reg in FR 50NL. I'm not good enough to fold it but better players ought to be, esp. someone grinding 20k+hands/month