IPoker Network $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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CO: $53.50
BTN: $140.45
SB: $87.32
Hero (BB): $56.74
UTG: $51.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with K J
2 folds, BTN raises to $1.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.25

Flop: ($3.75) T K 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.75, BTN calls $3.75

Turn: ($11.25) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $11.25, BTN raises to $22.50, Hero raises to $51.24

Had this interesting hand last session and forgot to post it. Villain is 24/17 with 50% ATS from BTN. Overall cbet of 60% but I don't know how that relates to stealing situations only...

Flop I pick up top pair + OESD on drawy board so I donk pot. Turn I pick up the straight and donk pot again for value.

Then I get minraised... I took it as a pair + club attempting to buy the pot / see where he's at or a J. A J plus a club sucks since I'm getting freerolled but I can't just fold. I went for shoving > calling and shoving river.

Thoughts?

lol you don't have a OESD you have a straight 9TJQK

You got a straight on the turn, not an OESD FWIW.

Stoopid cooler.That said,IDK about 3betting the turn.He'll be freerolling/have you toasted every time he calls.Flop is questionable too imo(doesn't mean I hate it)

lol rookie mistake... shh no one will no, I changed the OP

I figured shoving turn > calling and having to shove river. If a club comes we still have to shove river for the fold equity, like if he minraised with a naked J/set. i.e. we turn our hand into a complete bluff but it's probably a +EV one.

I figured with the minraise he's now got > 1/2 his stack in pot and he'll probably think he's commited to call with a pair + club Acx etc.

i don't think he's raising there with a pair+Ac, or a set or 2pairs, streetwalkincheeta is right i mean when he calls your shove he has Acjx,Axjc,Kj or a flopped flush
soooo... to the good players, what do we do on the Turn? i would have liked a smaller Bet so Qc and Ac still call, but you thought that you only had an OESD and you potted to get FE (i said it lol)

This is an interesting spot and I'm not really certain about the best line.

Are you donk/folding the flop?Bet/3betting?I probably start by c/cing.

What range can we expect to call pot on turn and what range do we expect to raise turn?Villain would probably need some history with you to raise/call turn with pair+draw.Villain is raise/folding turn(rarely imo) only with hands that you already beat.


I don't bet turn so strong,but I think when he raises turn,it's a fold with no better reads,calling being the second best option.

Nah obviously at the time I realised I had a straight, it's when writing it up I couldn't read properly.

The table had seen me pot flops a lot as a donk. As a logical continuation they probably think I donk pot when I donk turn too, even though it's not always for pot.

Looking back, betting smaller to keep in clubs would probably have been a better idea. Once we get raised after we bet any amount what are we doing though? Calling and hoping to get to showdown?

RR pre an option? I hate flatting KJo here OOP, much rather KQo. That may be "nitty," but KJo is all about ****ed TPGK spots OOP.

Donking is a good idea on this board. It's a defensive play more than anything else; other options create situations you hate. Potting is a horrible idea, imo. Anything that calls is going to be just a little behind or well ahead. Then you pot the turn, also not a great idea. Fold as played.

Barry

Donking for anything less than pot looks ... well donkish though right? You'd be suprised the amount of respect that donking pot gets rather than donking less. If you bet say $2.50 here and get raised what's your plan?

I accept donking pot on turn was wrong, I think smaller would've been better, though I'm still not sure I can fold to a small raise...

fwiw i would make my turn bet just a little but smaller, gives villain a bit more room to semi-bluff raise i think. And 3b the turn is fine.