17/4/0.0AF 23 hands

Would you open pre?
Would you bet this flop?
As played, betsizing on the river? I want to charge weaker J, Tx and smaller pairs


Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
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BB: $50 (100 bb)
UTG+2: $33.75 (67.5 bb)
MP1: $21.40 (42.8 bb)
MP2: $66.45 (132.9 bb)
MP3: $61.15 (122.3 bb)
CO: $28.20 (56.4 bb)
Hero (BTN): $50 (100 bb)
SB: $52.05 (104.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 8 J
5 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, SB folds, BB calls $1

Flop: ($3.25) K J 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($3.25) T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.50, BB calls $2.50

River: ($8.25) K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets?

I think the steal is fine. These type pf players are fit or fold on a lot of flops.

I would definitely cbet this flop.

I don't see villain having a worse jack to target on the river. I'd prob bet 4 to try and get called by worse, but this guy could have QQ and be very passive.

A little more then 50% i bet this, or 50% is fine i guess.

I think this is a very interesting hand since it's hands like this that will determine your winrate way more than lol I have KK UTG and got 3-bet or should I fold bottom set etc and yet people rarely post discussion on spots like this!

Preflop: J8o is definitely on my list of more marginal hands that I'll steal with OTB. If I think I'm likely to not get 3-bet, it's probably a steal. This big blind looks very passive so I'd say a steal looks good.

Flop: I go back and forth here. In terms of value, there's very little that he can call with that's worse. I think he'll play flush draws and gutshots quite passively so there's some thin value to be had here. If I thought villain was ikely to check-raise often, a check back would be mandatory, but this guy seems quite passive so betting the flop seems okay. He never folds better so we're not bluffing.

Turn: Given that you checked the flop, I think a turn bet is super standard here. He can call with TX, club draws, heart draws, and what not. Should we have bet the flop, I'm not sure what would be best on the turn. I think I would likely barrel turn and check back river, but it's extremely thin.

River: Definitely a check-back or a super-thin value bet

bet flop bet turn river is close?

I bet this flop all the time because when we decide not to bet, our hand becomes VERY face up in that our range is super capped. Vs opponents that pay attention, we can automatically take KT+ out of our range, all sets, flush draws and QT since we are 100% betting those hands. If our opponent is capable of hand reading, they're going to relentlessly barrel turn and river large and we're going to be forced to fold our hand a majority of the time.

Would these things apply if we had let's say QJ or even AJ? I would think that it would be a mandatory value bet on river with QJ or AJ. And for that matter, probably a two barrel then check the river line with the aforementioned hands. Thoughts?

Very interesting hand FOF.

no rule saying you have to bet Kx, QT or a fd on the flop

and betting all your Jx hands has flaws too as you can end up with too wide of a range and be easy to c/r off hands

i would bet flop & turn & check river... & yea im always opening that hand otb vs pretty much anybody

as played though we probably go half pot otr but i dont think i ever check the flop

Def open otb.
Bet flop and turn.
On river I would bet 4 or so.

I think against aggressive blind defenders I'm more likely to check back showdown value hands on the flop to encourage those large barrels.

Against a seemingly passive villain though, you really need to bet the flop and probably the turn. b/b/c is my preferred line for this kind of situation.

not sure if this helps but check flop bet turn and thin river

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