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05-03-2011 , 06:58 PM
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BTN seems fishy, loose and passive. SB is TAGish

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    SB: $60.22 (120.4 bb)
    BB: $58.61 (117.2 bb)
    MP: $57.04 (114.1 bb)
    Hero (CO): $61.03 (122.1 bb)
    BTN: $46.75 (93.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with Q K
    MP raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, BTN calls $1.50, SB calls $1.25, BB folds

    Flop: ($6.50) 8 T 9 (4 players)
    SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $6, BTN calls $6, SB calls $6, MP folds

    Turn: ($24.50) 7 (3 players)
    SB checks, Hero ???,




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    05-03-2011 , 07:02 PM
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    Bet round 21$ on the turn. Shove river.
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    05-03-2011 , 07:51 PM
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    In these spots, if I led out for $6, I'd bet 6$ again on the turn. If you bet $6 it looks like you have a measly pair or draw and would like to get to the show down cheaply hoping you can see the river for only $6. An aggressive player might read this as weakness, and would in a raise and you can be as creative as you want from there. If you bet pot or less, your committed to the hand, neither player can put a move on you which is exactly what you want. You won't be folding this hand, given the stacks anyway, so try to extract max value, and many hands that aren't the straight or flush here can't continue, but they sure can turn their hands into bluffs!
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    05-03-2011 , 08:01 PM
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    05-03-2011 , 08:44 PM
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    Quote:
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    In these spots, if I led out for $6, I'd bet 6$ again on the turn. If you bet $6 it looks like you have a measly pair or draw and would like to get to the show down cheaply hoping you can see the river for only $6. An aggressive player might read this as weakness, and would in a raise and you can be as creative as you want from there. If you bet pot or less, your committed to the hand, neither player can put a move on you which is exactly what you want. You won't be folding this hand, given the stacks anyway, so try to extract max value, and many hands that aren't the straight or flush here can't continue, but they sure can turn their hands into bluffs!
    I disagree with everything you have said.
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    05-03-2011 , 08:45 PM
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    Best way to extract value with flopped flush multi way:

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    05-03-2011 , 08:48 PM
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    i came here to post "betting" after just reading the title
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    05-03-2011 , 08:55 PM
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    I disagree with everything you have said.


    Wouldn't you think a straight or worse flush would raise you anyway? That turn connects with there calling range, so when you pot it your just hoping they have it and pay you off?

    And i'm only suggesting this line variation for this particular board, where you flop a flush and the turn bring a possible straight card!
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    05-03-2011 , 09:01 PM
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    Quote:
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    Wouldn't you think a straight or worse flush would raise you anyway? That turn connects with there calling range, so when you pot it your just hoping they have it and pay you off?
    No, i doubt it. Yes, and villain could still call with a draw.
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    05-03-2011 , 09:08 PM
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    No, i doubt it. Yes, and villain could still call with a draw.
    Again, this is referring to this specific hand.

    So your saying other made hands (non-nut flushes) and straights aren't raising to protect their hand on the turn and non-made hands will pay nearly a pot sized bet to get there with one more card to come? Possibly, if we knew table history and there is a big fish at the table, but I think it is profitable to bet less to induce worse hands to bluff, you can't lose and you wouldn't fold if the board paired.
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    05-03-2011 , 09:09 PM
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    people rarely bluff on these kind of boards since it hits you so well, so trying to induce one is pretty bad.
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    05-03-2011 , 09:16 PM
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    OP said "BTN seems fishy, loose and passive. SB is TAGish". It is possible no one will bluff in this spot, but if you 2/3 pot or pot it, I'm curious to what hands would continue. Assuming were never folding given our stacks, and what comes down on the river, betting large is gonna kill all the action, and made hands on the turn (str8s/flushes) are raising for value/protection.
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    05-03-2011 , 09:22 PM
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    05-03-2011 , 09:31 PM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SwizzleFoot
    OP said "BTN seems fishy, loose and passive. SB is TAGish". It is possible no one will bluff in this spot, but if you 2/3 pot or pot it, I'm curious to what hands would continue. Assuming were never folding given our stacks, and what comes down on the river, betting large is gonna kill all the action, and made hands on the turn (str8s/flushes) are raising for value/protection.
    and betting small ensures that we will never stack our opponents. do you want that? especially with a fish in the pot

    straights and small flushes wont raise whether you bet big or small.
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    05-03-2011 , 09:32 PM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SwizzleFoot
    OP said "BTN seems fishy, loose and passive. SB is TAGish". It is possible no one will bluff in this spot, but if you 2/3 pot or pot it, I'm curious to what hands would continue. Assuming were never folding given our stacks, and what comes down on the river, betting large is gonna kill all the action, and made hands on the turn (str8s/flushes) are raising for value/protection.
    Well, i dont think it is the most profitable way to play it.
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    05-04-2011 , 03:01 AM
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    One of the best cards u could ask for ok the turn.

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    05-04-2011 , 04:36 AM
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    Thanks everyone for comments.

    I think a bet is mandatory, I guess I was asking more about betsizing. Betting something like 4/5 pot is the most standard I think, but after the hand I thought about it and it just looks so, so strong. I was wondering if shoving the turn might get more calls because it look a little weaker, and a bad player might think our range is as wide as 2 pair or a set.
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    05-04-2011 , 04:47 AM
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    Bet 14, shove R. U should commit your opp on turn with your bet. If u bet 14 on 24 and he call, U will have 52$ pot on River and he cant fold his J when u ship your nickles.

    Bet smaller because this bet look weak, but will blow up pot to R.
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    05-04-2011 , 04:54 AM
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    05-04-2011 , 05:40 AM
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    In order to keep my opps to stick around as well as building the pot, i would bet around 14-16$ OTT also hoping either one of them would shove right there.
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