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50nl: baby flush vs. turn raise 50nl: baby flush vs. turn raise

07-02-2008 , 11:34 PM
Bodog $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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UTG: $53.85
MP: $46.50
CO: $65.70
BTN: $60.20
Hero (SB): $58.75
BB: $49.85

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with 4 6
3 folds, BTN calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.25, BB checks

Flop: ($1.50) 8 2 3 (3 players)
Hero bets $1.50, BB folds, BTN calls $1.50

Turn: ($4.50) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.50, BTN raises to $7.00, Hero...


Hard to come up with a range here. Villain has been limping into a lot of pots from BTN and CO (I think I've seen K8o and ATo that I remember). He really hasn't gotten involved in any hands at table, and I haven't seen him before. He has raised my BB a ton, but has folded alot to 3bets and/or donk bets. What's my line?
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07-02-2008 , 11:39 PM
At least you are probably not drawing dead. At Bodog I get so many weird bluffs here that you need to call. I would probably also call a river bet depending on size.
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07-03-2008 , 03:40 AM
bump for late-nighters--nemesis!! hoolld!!
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07-03-2008 , 04:26 AM
I don't really like the SB call, but as played I fold here.

I would put villian on made flush or at least 1 big spade.
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07-03-2008 , 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by 5ko
I don't really like the SB call, but as played I fold here.

I would put villian on made flush or at least 1 big spade.
doesn't really compute imo... If he has a made flush you should fold, if he has a spade, you should definitely at least call...

I'd probably call, c/c most rivers, keep the pot small... This can be so much else, sets, 2pairs, combodraws etc... Make a note if he minraises only the goods on flushes hitting, or w/e.
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07-03-2008 , 06:21 AM
Raise it up, its a low connected board he can have lots of sets here that he limped with to. cant let another spade fall on the river
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07-03-2008 , 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Jub.
Raise it up, its a low connected board he can have lots of sets here that he limped with to. cant let another spade fall on the river
reraising here is spewy since you will get close to only action from bigger flushes, also thats just the variance whe have to take here with the spade on the river or not.
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07-03-2008 , 06:38 AM
I can't give minraisers credit for being good players. If he's not a good player, then he's most likely overvalueing his hands (2pars, sets, w/e). This is pretty much a dream board for your SC. I make it $19.50 (and call shove) to set up a nice <PSB river jam.

I think the responses telling you to flat call and c/c rivers or fold or w/e are just expecting you to post this only because you possibly got coolered vs a higher flush.
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07-03-2008 , 10:03 AM
You say he limps alot in position and the hands you've seen him show down after limping suggests to me that we can rule out him playing hands like 82o, 73o even from position.

So I figure a range that he could limp from position and would min-reraise you on the turn include : sets, 87o, Asx, Ksx (x = eight or better), a made flush 98s and better.(give or take). Threw this into p-stove, cooked and stirred, and got :

Hand 0: 45.648% 45.65% 00.00% 944 0.00 { 6s4s }
Hand 1: 54.352% 54.35% 00.00% 1124 0.00 { 88-77, 33-22...... }

So being out of position I'd probably call and bet a blank river, I doubt he's good enough to fold a set or 2p on the river. (oh, I'd probably puke and fold if he raised the river)

I might be giving him too much credit though...
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07-03-2008 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by HOOOLLD
I can't give minraisers credit for being good players. If he's not a good player, then he's most likely overvalueing his hands (2pars, sets, w/e). This is pretty much a dream board for your SC. I make it $19.50 (and call shove) to set up a nice <PSB river jam.

I think the responses telling you to flat call and c/c rivers or fold or w/e are just expecting you to post this only because you possibly got coolered vs a higher flush.
this whole post is kinda flawed...bad players tend to play straightforward, not nec. over-aggressive. so if he has 2p he's probably not raising that often when the flush hits; he's worried about it too. with 46 we definitely have to be worried about overflushes, of which there are more combos than 2p/sets if i had to estimate.
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07-03-2008 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by lemming
I'd probably call, c/c most rivers, keep the pot small... This can be so much else, sets, 2pairs, combodraws etc... Make a note if he minraises only the goods on flushes hitting, or w/e.
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Originally Posted by oxiej
reraising here is spewy since you will get close to only action from bigger flushes, also thats just the variance whe have to take here with the spade on the river or not.
this is the advice i got from a very good 5/10 player.

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Originally Posted by HOOOLLD
I can't give minraisers credit for being good players. If he's not a good player, then he's most likely overvalueing his hands (2pars, sets, w/e). This is pretty much a dream board for your SC. I make it $19.50 (and call shove) to set up a nice <PSB river jam.
this was my thought process. i really hadn't made a range and figured my equity though.. just instinct that the man is garbage...
definitely think people assume you lost hand when you post, and sometimes that sways decision. but i think u still prob get sound advice, regardless.

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Originally Posted by Iwinhomegames
Threw this into p-stove, cooked and stirred, and got :

Hand 0: 45.648% 45.65% 00.00% 944 0.00 { 6s4s }
Hand 1: 54.352% 54.35% 00.00% 1124 0.00 { 88-77, 33-22...... }
thanks for this. thought about hand a bit more, and think this is range i'd give him. c/c probably best here, given range.

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Originally Posted by tubasteve
this whole post is kinda flawed...bad players tend to play straightforward, not nec. over-aggressive. so if he has 2p he's probably not raising that often when the flush hits; he's worried about it too. with 46 we definitely have to be worried about overflushes, of which there are more combos than 2p/sets if i had to estimate.
i want to marry your avatar.
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07-03-2008 , 12:36 PM
Limping the SB is absolutely standard. We has a flush on a three spade board. I can't see c/cing two streets with a flush on this board as being optimal, seems like too much value is left on the table. I don't really like raising/folding though on this board either because, like a previous poster said these mini-raise players in this spot can get kind of out of line so I guess I'm stacking off here.
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