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02-09-2011 , 07:10 AM
Villain is 18/14, EP open 10% with a Ft3b of 29% (2/7) over 375 hands, c-bet 36% (8/22) and 1/4 turns

I'm probably viewed as a reg, but no significant history between us.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (7 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($50)
SB ($48.25)
BB ($54.80)
UTG ($57.95)
MP1 ($109.30)
Hero (MP2) ($135.05)
CO ($50.75)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q, A
UTG bets $1.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.75, 2 folds, SB calls $1.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($5.75) A, 3, 7 (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $3.75, Hero calls $3.75, 1 fold

Turn: ($13.25) 3 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: ($13.25) 8 (2 players)
UTG bets $8, Hero folds

discuss
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02-09-2011 , 07:23 AM
is villain a competent player? imho his river bet may be some thin vbet/bet for range merging purposes w JJ-KK type of hands considering you checked back the turn IP, other than AQ/AK+ hands. i would probably play it similiarly but call the river. would like to hear your thought processes on each street. thanks!
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02-09-2011 , 07:31 AM
I have detailed thoughts on each street, but I don't want to put them all out there just yet, I'll start with preflop and hopefully some discussion will follow.

I know I have a note on him and it's about him defending his opens light against 3-bets in steal spots, I'm pretty sure I stacked him with AA/KK vs some crap he had a few days ago, but there wasn't anything spewy on my end (for once) so he probably views me as straightforward. I can't remember exactly what it is though.

That said, preflop, if he is in MP/CO or something and I have position I'm most likely 3-betting him for value in position because he is gonna call with a lot of crap. In this spot though I don't like 3-betting because it over-reps my hand and will fold out most of the worse hands and his continuation range will have me crushed. We should have a pretty decent flat range here as he should be pretty easy to play against post with a variety of holdings.
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02-09-2011 , 07:48 AM
I don't really find a lot of villain's betting AJ here (the most logical hand that you beat imo) and I also don't believe he would turn a hand with sdv into a bluff trying to make you fold a pair. So, I really think you are beat on the river and I like your fold.

The rest looks standard imo
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02-09-2011 , 07:52 AM
I actually either 3b as a semibluff or fold this preflop. If you're ahead of his pf range, it's still marginal. I'd rather flat with something that can flop good equity or a monster as those hands are generally easier to play than trying to play a hand that is marginally ahead of Villain's range. Playing AQ against a fairly tight range can easily lead to you just playing guessing games like you are on this river.
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02-09-2011 , 08:25 AM
^^ +1. You either win a small pot or lose a medium sized one.
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02-09-2011 , 08:29 AM
I prefer b/f'ing the turn w/ the intention of checking back most rivers.

Agree that PF is really debatable fwiw.
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02-09-2011 , 08:48 AM
I agree with you that there is slightly more value flatting this preflop. A 10% EP open is wider than most and is probably some combination of AJ+,22+ mixed in with some SC/Axs.

But sometimes when I am unsure of how villain plays preflop, as here, I like to actually just 3bet and make my decisions simple postflop.

As played, I am never folding river ever vs this tricky reg. I would assume he would take the standard b/b/b line with his stronger hands vs you since he sees you as a tight/semipassive reg. Your check back on the turn repped weak hands like JJ/QQ and he seems to be getting value from his weak AJ/AQ or bluffing with his 0 equity hands ( low PP, missed SC) after seeing your passive turn check. I usually take the b/c/b with my weaker hands such as low Ax or KK to try to get some value.
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02-09-2011 , 10:28 AM
maybe abit random but does anyone realise it is 7handed? does villain widen his range here abit to adjust to a more shorthanded playing field?
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02-09-2011 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by AlexB182
I prefer b/f'ing the turn w/ the intention of checking back most rivers.

Agree that PF is really debatable fwiw.
Agree with all of this.
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02-09-2011 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by AlexB182
I prefer b/f'ing the turn w/ the intention of checking back most rivers.

Agree that PF is really debatable fwiw.
I like this. If you're just going to check the turn and fold the river, I'm not sure what line you wanted villain to take.
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02-09-2011 , 04:42 PM
some good replies so far, i need to examine my preflop game more.

Anyways, on the flop, I think standard call.

Why would I bet the turn? for value? does he c/c hearts and AJ/KK/QQ hands here enough to make betting correct? I thought he'd be more likely to call a river bet with something like the above hands than the turn with river action still to come on a relatively dry board.

Anyways, on the river, I don't think he leads AJ/KK, etc. into a made flush when I could have easily called on the flop/checked the turn with 2 hearts. Are there any other hands villain would bet the river with here that I beat? I know I have great odds, but am I really good 1/3 the time?
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02-09-2011 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by AlexB182
I prefer b/f'ing the turn w/ the intention of checking back most rivers.

Agree that PF is really debatable fwiw.
This, but if we have CO/BTN it's less debatable
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02-09-2011 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by illini43
Anyways, on the river, I don't think he leads AJ/KK, etc. into a made flush when I could have easily called on the flop/checked the turn with 2 hearts. Are there any other hands villain would bet the river with here that I beat? I know I have great odds, but am I really good 1/3 the time?
This would depend on your fold to cbet, but I think many villians would fire the river with AJ/KK and less because its difficult to put you on anything that beats us excpet for a flush or a flopped set (not too many combos since I dont think you have AA) or maybe AK (I'd not expect too many people to flat an UTg open with AQ-). I'd b/f river here for thin value with any A, a flush, or big pocket pairs.
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02-09-2011 , 05:57 PM
I would almost always 3 bet here preflop especially against a reg.

The decisions are going to be much easier postflop and also preflop if he 4 bets you.
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02-09-2011 , 08:09 PM
Thanks for the replies.

In the hand I actually called the river, I figured I would write in that I folded to see if people talked about ranges more. He had AK and, sigh, o well. I'm liking 3b pre the more I think about it, what are we doing with ATs/AJs here, AJo, KQo? (pre that is)
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02-09-2011 , 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by illini43
Thanks for the replies.

In the hand I actually called the river, I figured I would write in that I folded to see if people talked about ranges more. He had AK and, sigh, o well. I'm liking 3b pre the more I think about it, what are we doing with ATs/AJs here, AJo, KQo? (pre that is)
I don't like 3betting UTG regs too much because they will catch on sooner or later. So I usually only 3bet suited AT/AJ, the top of my folding range, and fold everything else. If the reg is pretty aggro 4betting OOP, then I just dump those hands preflop.
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02-10-2011 , 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by illini43
Thanks for the replies.

In the hand I actually called the river, I figured I would write in that I folded to see if people talked about ranges more. He had AK and, sigh, o well. I'm liking 3b pre the more I think about it, what are we doing with ATs/AJs here, AJo, KQo? (pre that is)
People may disagree with me here but I would prolly 3 bet ATs 50% of the time and 50% fold. AJs 75% 3 bet. KQs 40%

I have had good success doing this over the past 60K hands at 50NL
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02-10-2011 , 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by fast11375
I agree with you that there is slightly more value flatting this preflop. A 10% EP open is wider than most and is probably some combination of AJ+,22+ mixed in with some SC/Axs.

But sometimes when I am unsure of how villain plays preflop, as here, I like to actually just 3bet and make my decisions simple postflop.

As played, I am never folding river ever vs this tricky reg. I would assume he would take the standard b/b/b line with his stronger hands vs you since he sees you as a tight/semipassive reg. Your check back on the turn repped weak hands like JJ/QQ and he seems to be getting value from his weak AJ/AQ or bluffing with his 0 equity hands ( low PP, missed SC) after seeing your passive turn check. I usually take the b/c/b with my weaker hands such as low Ax or KK to try to get some value.
+1
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