so i got into 2 hands vs same unknown villain, i decided to 4bet-fold AKo in the first hand since i made the 4bet small i figured i could let AKo to a 5bet knowing im always racing/crushed.few hands later i get delt AKo again, and get 3bet by same villain, so i elect to make a bigger 4bet this time and get 5 bet shoved on... i snap it off thinking he's full of himself and he flips over 88. so.. i am confused on how good my call is on the 2nd hand and how i should react to this type of player? am i happy 4betting against him and getting it in with ako?

Absolute, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BTN: $59.85
SB: $61.55
BB: $50
UTG: $53.23
MP: $115.07
Hero (CO): $50.75

Pre-Flop: A K dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG calls $0.50, MP folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 3 folds, UTG raises to $4.50, Hero raises to $10.50, UTG raises to $26.50, Hero folds

Results: $21.75 Pot
UTG showed and WON $21.75 (+$11.25 NET)


Absolute, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

MP: $66
CO: $59.55
BTN: $50
SB: $59.23
BB: $115.07
Hero (UTG): $50

Pre-Flop: A K dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to $1.50, 3 folds, SB raises to $5, BB folds, Hero raises to $13.50, SB raises to $40.75, Hero raises to $50 and is All-In, SB calls $9

Flop: ($100.50) T 6 2 (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Turn: ($100.50) J (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($100.50) 4 (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $100.50 Pot ($3.50 Rake)
SB showed 8 8 and WON $97 (+$47.25 NET)
Hero showed A K and LOST (-$50 NET)

dont ever 4b/fold ak when ur not deep, 2nd hand is std

thanks, i don't know why i decided to 4betfold ako in the first hand but seeing he wants to ship 88 with 100bb stack, does that mean i still want to 4bet and call his 5bet shove?

Consider the hands that UTG can have and the number of combinations of those. If you run pokerstove, you will see that you can't fold AK to the 5bet.

That is why you want to call. You have put a decent amount of money in the pot, can not be scared to call an all in with a premium hand. Especially after you just 4 bet folded. You were actually making an EV mistake by folding. Now seeing he 5 bet shoves really wide, calling with JJ/TT and AQs can be correct if you feel he won't adjust.

thanks for clearing that up, i understand why a little better now why i cant 4bet fold AKo.

shove h1,
villain @ h2 is a big idiot.

villain in h2 is very smart... especially after h1, think critically.

villain in h2 doesn't know what we have in h1. action both hands are not even close.
3betting 88 vs an utg oop with the intention of getting it in is spew.

It doesn't matter that, it matter he just seen hero 4 bet/ fold. In general it can be bad, by why limit yourself to thinking there utg it all ends world. A lot of players raise more than 2-3% of hands utg anyway and it looks like there only calling 2% of hands. Hell I am not saying 88 is perfect for it, but it not necessarily hugely -ev if you think you got decent fe.

so you think if you 3bet 88 vs utg openers from sb all the time and shove over their 4bets, you will end up making profit?

and the action in the hand that we 4bet/folded is not even close to this one. and makes it even less likely for us to fold.

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so you're saying villain is 3betting his 88 as a bluff right to make hero fold and thats a smart move? mehhh i dont think villain was thinking liek that.

You just haphazardly read what I wrote? I no where said it was correct to do it all the time. I said in this situation where we just seen hero 4 bet/fold. And I said 88 is no where near perfect for it, but it doesn't do horrible against, especially if you factor in fold equity from them doing it again. And I am not saying villain is thinking on this level, could just be a huge spaz tard. But a villain that is good and aware of the game flow could be capable of this.

you are overestimating the FE, and it does horrible against our calling range or 4betting range.

most situations always. This particular situation, not always. That is my point, I am not generalizing this situation. A9s does better than 88 when called obv. In hand 1, the hero just 4 bet/folded a limp re-raise. 4 betting a limp re-raise of an unknown is pretty strong in itself, but folding the top of your range being prized in. But if you just want to generalized this situation then it is horribad, we both know that 100% but game flow context is a big part of poker.

he doesn't know we folded top of our range.
we should never be 4betting for value then folding to reraise 100bbs deep.
that hand makes it less likely for us to be bluffing this time, which makes his jam even worse with 88.

we will just agree to disagree