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10-08-2010 , 07:24 PM
villain seemed like an overall lolbad passive fish. 47/5/2.8AF over 60 not really folding to many cbets. had played one small hand with him where i c/c a 653r flop w. TT, a 3x turn was checked through, and i vbet a 5x river for him to look me up with 96s. no other history.

what are doing OTR here? calling, raising, jamming or even folding (??) and why? do we think the fact that a BD flush draw was completed is important? comments on other streets welcome too.

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NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($29.50)
BB ($20.05)
UTG ($50)
UTG+1 ($52.55)
UTG+2 ($58.55)
MP1 ($50)
Hero ($55.35)
BTN ($63.85)

Dealt to Hero 9 9

fold, fold, UTG+2 calls $0.50, MP1 raises to $2.25, Hero calls $2.25, fold, fold, BB calls $1.75, UTG+2 calls $1.75

FLOP ($9.25) 7 8 2

BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $5.75, BB folds, UTG+2 calls $5.75, MP1 folds

TURN ($20.75) 7 8 2 Q

UTG+2 checks, Hero checks

RIVER ($20.75) 7 8 2 Q 9

UTG+2 bets $8, Hero
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10-08-2010 , 07:26 PM
Folding is out of the question in my opinion.

Do you want to raise for value?If he has some cooler flush or straight it's nice for him. I think a nice min-raise on the river here is a nice play. The river bet looks as such a blocking bet!

If u jam, you are probably SMOKED if villain calls.

Last edited by brutti; 10-08-2010 at 07:39 PM.
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10-08-2010 , 07:34 PM
Raise/fold river - I'd say 21.
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10-08-2010 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by brutti
Folding is out of the question in my opinion.

Do you want to raise for value?If he has some cooler flush or straight it's nice for him. I think a nice min-raise on the river here is a nice play. The river bet looks as such a blocking bet!

If u jam, you are probably SMOKED if villain calls.
really? you don't think he can look me up with "slowplayed" sets or some funky 2pair?
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10-08-2010 , 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by bleffo19
really? you don't think he can look me up with "slowplayed" sets or some funky 2pair?
On this board he should snapfold any 2 pairs to a river raise (also a minraise)

It clearly depends if he is able too do it. However I think it's gonna bring you some sick variance in the long-term in similar situations. He can call u up with worse sets obviously, but 2 pairs I don't think.
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10-08-2010 , 08:16 PM
The only possibe hand you are behind is QQ played badly. Bet like hell. $28 or shove. This guy isn;t folding 2P because he doesnt think.
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10-08-2010 , 09:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by brutti
On this board he should snapfold any 2 pairs to a river raise (also a minraise)

It clearly depends if he is able too do it. However I think it's gonna bring you some sick variance in the long-term in similar situations. He can call u up with worse sets obviously, but 2 pairs I don't think.
This donk probably wont fold tpwk.

Raise
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10-08-2010 , 10:17 PM
looks like the turn is a pretty easy VB...
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10-09-2010 , 03:46 AM
I think some passive players float JT s here also and probably doesn't slow play QQ too long. I like min raise fold to shove as well. He may call with 2pair here or even some over card he wasnt' willing to fold as loose passives float a lot with overs to the board.
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10-09-2010 , 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by AlexB182
looks like the turn is a pretty easy VB...
+1, Can't believe no one else mentions this
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10-09-2010 , 06:43 AM
Yeah v-bet the turn there for sure.
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10-09-2010 , 07:52 AM
I'd Vbet turn with a plan to check back almost all rivers.

On this river I'd obv bet again.

As played I'd shove, he doesn't fold any 2pair, which he could easily have been trying to c/r on the turn.
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10-09-2010 , 08:01 AM
as played i see no bet, i just c/c

but i would also say that you let him pay for his draw on the turn
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10-09-2010 , 08:55 AM
Raise/fold ~23$

And bet turn.
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10-09-2010 , 09:00 AM
I dont understand why we are not trying to get as much money in as quickly as humanly possible
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10-09-2010 , 10:02 AM
bet turn shove river
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10-09-2010 , 10:17 AM
Grunch

I think you have a pretty clear turn VB here. River is tricky, never folding obv. I am a little snake bit when it comes to value shoving too thin against fish, so I would lean against a call here, but if you vb the turn I think you have an easier decision on the river too.
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