Villain is, simply put, a fish.

UTG: $49.25
Hero (CO): $153.90
BTN: $50.75
SB: $66.95
BB: $153.55

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with 6 6
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.50, 2 folds, BB calls $1

Flop: ($3.25) 6 4 T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3, BB calls $3

Turn: ($9.25) 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $8.75, BB calls $8.75

River: ($26.75) Q (2 players)
BB bets $12, Hero ?

My read against this villain is that this is either a busted flush draw or a hand that he thinks is very strong. Of course no point/harm in raising the draw, but I think I run the risk that with everything else he's pushing. Should I feel comfortable getting 300BB in here, on the basis that he's probably pushing any 4?

Yes there are way more combos of 4X, than TT,QQ.

Are you really afraid he's beating your full house? Shove and fistpump if he calls dude.

Yeah I think your main concern here is how to size your raise to make sure he calls. Value bet ftw.

Here's another thing: he's a 28 VPIP, how do you calculate how many 4s are in his range? My guts tell me 45s, 46s, A4.

I don't think getting called is a problem at all, I'm almost sure he's either bluffing or ready to push. This based on general fish galore and previous history.

You should bet whatever amount you think he will call. And you are happy if he shoves it all in over your raise.

You should be quite pleased if he pushes.

Getting 300BB in when there are 3 better hands for I believe 7 combos worries nobody? ok I guess I'll stop being a nit.

EDIT: I know this sounds a lot like it but I didn't get coolered. I just am lost when I am very deep and know that villain has a strong hand.

Monsters under the bed syndrome, imo. Raise and call or fold to a shove based on your feel. Well, mostly call uneless he's very, very passive over a huge sample. But won't get shoved over too often.

edit: Quoted the wrong post of course. Fixed

If you're willing to consider folding/not getting the money in with this hand against someone you described as a fish 300bb deep then just stand up and find another table.

If you don't feel comfortable playing 300BBs deep, then don't play 300BBs deep.

******est comment ever. If you don't play perfect poker, then don't play poker. WTF. I posted here to get advice, and btw thanks I appreciated it and won't think about this twice next time.

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I gave you more advice. If you don't like it, don't take it.

Raise to like 40 and call a shove. You are so so so far ahead of his range try to extract as much as possible.

Thats as clever as saying if you cant swim dont swim. Awesome advice.

And a very clever analogy you make as well...

Lol that was my point.

FC and HS, take your ego contest somewhere else.

OP knows this is a standard spot where he should be happy to get it in. If we lose it's a bad beat. There are many many worse hands we can get paid off here, not raising/shoving is being extremely results oriented. FWIW I bet less on the turn so we don't scare off lesser hands, pot/pot/pot isn't necessary especially when we don't have to worry about draws at all.

fustercluck is right, when I get that deep at a table and there's another good player equally deep, i tuck my dick in and find another table.

however in this hand, im super happy to be this deep because you're taking his money here just about every time

It seems like this post has gotten into a discussion about playing deep and I have my 2 cents to throw in cause I kind of went thru the same thing, heres my little story.

For like 3-5 months I would grind out 25NL to buy something cool, I would 8 table for about 100 hours a month and played about the same all the time. I would get my $25 into $50 and get up and find a different table. I didnt want to risk what I had worked so hard to earn against some fish that was going to suck out on me, untill I thought about what I was saying. I realized that most players at levels below 50NL totally suck at playing deep and if you can get good at you add something else to your game. So I read a few post on deep play and how things change and why stack sizes make players do dumb things, dropped down one level and 2 tabled for about 2 hours and managed to get get 600BB deep on one table and 500BB on another table, I seriously have never seen so many people stack off with K high in the entire time I played poker.

Point of my story is that instead of trying to avoid deep play maybe you could study on it for a little and drop down to my level and kick my ass

Oh and for what its worth, Im stacking here every single time...In fact I may even open shove river cause of being so deep.

I am trying to exactly do that (learning to play deep). BUT I don't think there's much stuff around that covers this especially for unl. If you can point me to something thanks a lot, the only thing I found is something in he MS/HS forums where they basically say don't move in if you don't have the nuts. I suppose this applies when opponents also knows how to play deep, but if we assume they're fish, in this thread you're saying you have a clear edge -> try to get paid off as much as you can, or in other words, that fact that we're deep doesn't change a thing. Am I right?

Questions:
- How large do you like your edge to get 300BB in? 500BB in?
- Assuming that in this particular hand villain is slowplaying, is a 54s, 46s, A4 + sets range too tight if he is 28 VPIP? (against this range stove says I have 60%).


Another random observation:
pot/pot is OK against most fishes imo because they always draw anyway and on the turn they either have air (and will call/fold depending on how fishy they are but not the bet size) or they have something which is enough for them unless the turns scares them. EG in my experience if one is calling the flop with middle pair he's also calling the turn unless the board pairs the top card.

i raise to ~40 for value and fold if he shoves, i think.

Does not compute.

Lol please raise. If reraised, snap-call. Even decent players push the action this way with say, K Q Given your read this is a fish, unless you have some other read to offer it seems a clear raise.