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50NL 3bet pot vs good tag - misplay!? 50NL 3bet pot vs good tag - misplay!?

10-28-2009 , 08:02 AM
the reason why i 3bet AJs here is beacause villian was isolating a weak fish. so i gave him a wide range that he often folds to my 3bet..

i think if i bet this flop i have to 2. barrel the turn, right?

after his turn call i think theres nothing i beat anymore, even with my J-hit. think he alwas has me beat here so i just fold, even if the pot odds are quite good.

thoughts?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Party-Poker Hand Converter from HandHistoryConverter.com

MP ($80.60)
Button ($56.96)
SB ($30.65)
CO ($50)
UTG ($54.34)
Hero (BB) ($50.52)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J, A
UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold, CO bets $2, 2 folds, Hero raises $6.50, 1 fold, CO calls $5

Flop: ($14.75) Q, 5, 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $8, CO calls $8

Turn: ($30.75) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $17, CO calls $17

River: ($64.75) J (2 players)
Hero checks, CO raises to $18 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $64.75
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10-28-2009 , 08:03 AM
would prefer like 10$ on the flop shoving any spade turn.

you don't have to double barrel at all sir, i doubt he will float a Q high flop with a hand like 88
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10-28-2009 , 08:51 AM
After you have c-bet Q high flop, you have to shut down with your hand.
He doesn't scary of Q on flop, and turn blank doesn't change anythin in this hand.
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10-28-2009 , 08:55 AM
What's his range when he calls 3bet and your Flop CB?

Stats would help.
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10-28-2009 , 08:58 AM
I hate this. 2+2 says all the time "if you bet the flop in a 3bet pot you have to be rdy to fire any turn"
and now all say bah meh blah check behind.

Bet more flop, shove turn. I'd do that
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10-28-2009 , 08:58 AM
as played I think I call the river and hate it
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10-28-2009 , 09:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seeeno
I hate this. 2+2 says all the time "if you bet the flop in a 3bet pot you have to be rdy to fire any turn"
and now all say bah meh blah check behind.
Where? It depends on a lot of conditions.. is this being said vs any opponent with any hand on any board?

Double barreling in a 3-bet pot = committing. Anything he called with on the flop he's calling again on the turn because the board didn't change much. And just c-betting and giving up is fine, no?
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10-28-2009 , 09:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seeeno
I hate this. 2+2 says all the time "if you bet the flop in a 3bet pot you have to be rdy to fire any turn"
and now all say bah meh blah check behind.

Bet more flop, shove turn. I'd do that

if flopd is 9 5 5 and I c-bet it

then I think I double barrel any turn to make him fold his PP or whatsoever.

But if flop is Q,K,A- high and I c-bet it, and villains calls, it means to me that villain doesn't care what we are trying to represnt and he calls down anyway with his hand, that's why in this case I don't like to double barrel as a bluff
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10-28-2009 , 09:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JackOfPain
Where? It depends on a lot of conditions.. is this being said vs any opponent with any hand on any board?

Double barreling in a 3-bet pot = committing. Anything he called with on the flop he's calling again on the turn because the board didn't change much. And just c-betting and giving up is fine, no?
not necessarily...he might call Flop CB with TT, for example, cause we always CB this board, even with hands that miss (AK, for example, which is actually a pretty big part of our range since there are 16 combos of AK)...however, we're usually not barrelling Turn with worse than AQ/KK here...so he will peel one with JJ/TT, but fold to double-barrell...

if we think that he 4bets QQ+ and flats 3bet with 99-JJ/AQ, he may actually fold more than 50% of his range on our Turn barrell...sometimes eve AQ...

P.S. thanks to the threadstarter for not helping us with Villain's stats...
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10-28-2009 , 01:26 PM
sorry that i work and cannot read this thread every 10 minutes sir!

22/17/3/21 (vpip/pfr/af/wtsd)
fold to 3bet 65%
fold to Cbet in 3bet pot 50%
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10-28-2009 , 01:28 PM
your bet sizing is terrible and screams i have nothing
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