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08-20-2011 , 05:02 PM
    Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10321892

    MP2: $22.05 (44.1 bb)
    MP3: $20 (40 bb)
    CO: $22.75 (45.5 bb)
    BTN: $44.15 (88.3 bb)
    SB: $17.20 (34.4 bb)
    Hero (BB): $56.90 (113.8 bb)
    UTG+1: $49.25 (98.5 bb)
    UTG+2: $59.20 (118.4 bb)
    MP1: $18.25 (36.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with K A
    UTG+1 raises to $2, 7 folds, Hero raises to $7, UTG+1 calls $5

    Flop: ($14.25) A Q 2 (2 players)
    Hero bets $9, UTG+1 calls $9

    Turn: ($32.25) 9 (2 players)
    Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $13



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    I have only recently started playing 50NL so villain was unknown to me (I assume I was unknown to him too) and he has been at that table for only a few hands. Soo what would you do on the turn and was checking a good option?
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    08-20-2011 , 05:18 PM
    I'm not a huge fan of the 3-bet preflop -- the villain isn't full stacked preflop, so maybe he's a donk and calls with his entire opening range, but i'd prefer to have more of a read.

    My plan for the hand would depend on how many streets of value I think I could get out of it vs an unknown. Fwiw, I would kind of like check-calling the flop if I didn't think there was more than 2 streets of value. If you need a check-calling range this seems to be a pretty good place to start. If I think there's 3 streets of value, I'd just bet-bet-bet.

    As played. I assume that you're not folding anywhere. I'm not sure what to make of his bet size. I'd probably just get it in now because I don't think calling and leading river really gets more calls. Obviously we over-rep our hand, but I don't think villain's can tell much of a difference.

    The other option if you think your equity is between 33-48% which would seem reasonable would be -- you could possibly call turn and call river if you think he will bet really small on the river again with the nuts. however, there will be only $20 left in a $58 pot on the river, so I don't know why he wouldn't shove with the nuts. Just throwing it out there.
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    08-20-2011 , 05:32 PM
    What if I would bet turn too and if he calls then check/fold on the river for the following reasons:
    1. He is EP and he called my 3bet so that leaves us with pretty small range of JJ-KK and AK
    2. He's not calling 2 streets with worse hand than mine
    3. I'm only losing value vs AK
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    08-20-2011 , 06:30 PM
    Edit: he has fishy stack, im going broke
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    08-20-2011 , 07:00 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tobe4funas
    What if I would bet turn too and if he calls then check/fold on the river for the following reasons:
    1. He is EP and he called my 3bet so that leaves us with pretty small range of JJ-KK and AK
    2. He's not calling 2 streets with worse hand than mine
    3. I'm only losing value vs AK
    1) If that's his preflop range, then preflop should be a call not 3-bet.
    2) If that's his true range, then just check fold turn.
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    08-20-2011 , 08:26 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by pokerarb
    Edit: he has fishy stack, im going broke
    Why reraise as opposed to call here?
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    08-20-2011 , 09:46 PM
    because AK wins a lot?
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    08-20-2011 , 10:38 PM
    Assuming you jammed the turn, and were planning on b/c/b to get more value out of the weak aces and Qx in his range, then you played this hand well.
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    08-20-2011 , 10:39 PM
    I carry on betting on every street unless villain raises. If villain didn't have AA, QQ or AQ, you had the best hand on the flop and got called by a weaker ace, queen or pocket pair, or villain also has AK and you're chopping on this rainbow board. Checking the turn looks weak to me.
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    08-20-2011 , 10:56 PM
    CRAI

    sorry he had QQ
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    08-20-2011 , 11:26 PM
    check flop i think
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    08-20-2011 , 11:39 PM
    What's calling the CRAI on turn with worse?
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    08-21-2011 , 12:24 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tumaterminator
    check flop i think
    since hes most likely flatting small pp and were behind AQ we might as well check/call hoping he turns his small pp into bruff yeah?
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    08-21-2011 , 12:29 AM
    yea i expect him to fold on the flop too much and also bet on the flop too much
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    08-21-2011 , 12:34 AM
    roger c1
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    08-21-2011 , 12:35 AM
    ima micro donk but ima stab even when im not suppose to


    hes a unknown but its stars which means you alrdy have lots of info you can get from just playing on this site... check his stars, are they hidden?... does he hide search feature?.... that alone will tell you if hes some rec fish vs losing reg/winning/tag/lag... if all his stars are low especially in this promo thats going on + his search is not hidden your stacking this off pretty much always

    if his stars are hidden & search feature im not even 3betting, but as played i think every play is fine, bet/fold flop vs bet/call vs bet bet shove

    but thats my 0.02 on a unknown on stars cause nobody is that big of a unknown on this site imo
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    08-21-2011 , 01:14 AM
    i cant tell if tuma is leveling this thread or not
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    08-21-2011 , 01:29 AM
    id bet the turn tho (not levelling)

    Last edited by Tumaterminator; 08-21-2011 at 01:34 AM. Reason: and fold to a raise
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    08-21-2011 , 03:59 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by metski
    since hes most likely flatting small pp and were behind AQ we might as well check/call hoping he turns his small pp into bruff yeah?
    I like this. +1
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    08-21-2011 , 06:28 AM
    I'm interested in the check/call flop option and lead turn if it checks through. It seems pretty unbalanced but I guess that only matters if villain is capable of realising.

    He'd have to be pretty spewy to call off 2 or 3 streets with AJ or worse but may well start turning hands like TT into a bluff if we check it to him.
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