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50NL 3bet pot overpair 3barrel too light? 50NL 3bet pot overpair 3barrel too light?

12-23-2013 , 03:11 AM
iPoker - €0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 75.94 BB (VPIP: 60.04, PFR: 27.15, 3Bet Preflop: 15.61, Hands: 464)
Hero (BB): 139.22 BB
UTG: 396.78 BB (VPIP: 74.42, PFR: 27.91, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 44)
CO: 126.16 BB (VPIP: 24.51, PFR: 18.68, 3Bet Preflop: 9.35, Hands: 260)
BTN: 61.68 BB (VPIP: 24.80, PFR: 14.89, 3Bet Preflop: 6.98, Hands: 984)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A A

UTG calls 1 BB, CO raises to 5 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 15 BB, fold, CO calls 10 BB

Flop: (31.5 BB, 2 players) 7 T 6
Hero bets 15.74 BB, CO calls 15.74 BB

Turn: (62.98 BB, 2 players) 3
Hero bets 30 BB, CO calls 30 BB

River: (122.98 BB, 2 players) 4
Hero bets 78.48 BB, CO calls 65.42 BB

I think the title says it all. Should I just check fold?
50NL 3bet pot overpair 3barrel too light? Quote
12-23-2013 , 03:21 AM
maybe bet more on flop and turn to make the river shove less painful, but otherwise well played
50NL 3bet pot overpair 3barrel too light? Quote
12-23-2013 , 03:37 AM
wp
50NL 3bet pot overpair 3barrel too light? Quote
12-23-2013 , 04:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Swanndogg
maybe bet more on flop and turn to make the river shove less painful, but otherwise well played
Not this
50NL 3bet pot overpair 3barrel too light? Quote
12-23-2013 , 04:34 AM
His large isolation raise and your 3bet have compounded the pot to the point where you could actually get the remaining 110BB's in on flop and turn with less than pot sized bets. Not sure if it's a better option than going for three streets, but something to think about perhaps..
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12-23-2013 , 06:53 AM
I like how you played it.
50NL 3bet pot overpair 3barrel too light? Quote
12-23-2013 , 11:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cardbrute
Not this
You advocate c/folding flop?
50NL 3bet pot overpair 3barrel too light? Quote
12-23-2013 , 11:10 AM
^his sizing is perfect (more or less)

maybe 2BBs more on flop for consistency
50NL 3bet pot overpair 3barrel too light? Quote
12-23-2013 , 11:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deeepz
^his sizing is perfect (more or less)

maybe 2BBs more on flop for consistency
Betting 2/3pot FLOP e 2/3pot Turn is not the standard move, anymore?

If the pot have 30bb's, why not bet 22BB's?
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12-23-2013 , 12:16 PM
imo flop is fine, bet 2/3 pot turn (and ez shove river).

You won't 2barrel that much a birck OTT, so bet bigger to extract more value turn. You will have more calls too OTR when you bet bigger turn...
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12-23-2013 , 02:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KatnissLovesSnow
Well played. Sizing is perfect as well. You're getting looked up so often by AT, Tx, JJ & QQ. If he setted you, so be it.
I think the flush is the main worry here.

Hand is fine btw.
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12-23-2013 , 10:43 PM
No expert but here i go

3Bet slightly more pre, given the disadvantage on our position(BB) to villains(CO), also considering we're more than 100BB deep.

Bet more on the flop, give him a price to pay for the those draws.

Last edited by shiftysean; 12-23-2013 at 10:48 PM.
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12-25-2013 , 02:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KatnissLovesSnow
Well played. Sizing is perfect as well. You're getting looked up so often by AT, Tx, JJ & QQ. If he setted you, so be it.
These hands will call also 60% 67% otf, no?
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12-25-2013 , 03:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fonteles
Betting 2/3pot FLOP e 2/3pot Turn is not the standard move, anymore?
never was

well, maybe before 2008
50NL 3bet pot overpair 3barrel too light? Quote
12-25-2013 , 04:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by (.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)
never was

well, maybe before 2008
I think 2/3 flop it's ok, given the texture of the flop and the 3b pf. In this case the diferrence between 1/2 and 2/3 of the pot it's not that large, so if the villain chooses to call this sizes of the pot will not hve so much influence in his decision.
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12-25-2013 , 04:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by (.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)
never was

well, maybe before 2008
Not in a 3b pot
50NL 3bet pot overpair 3barrel too light? Quote
12-25-2013 , 04:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deeepz
Not in a 3b pot
Yes 2/3 is fine against certain players in a 3b pot.
50NL 3bet pot overpair 3barrel too light? Quote
12-25-2013 , 05:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ExpectedV
Yes 2/3 is fine against certain players in a 3b pot.
Against whic players its better to bet 1/2 the pot?
50NL 3bet pot overpair 3barrel too light? Quote
12-25-2013 , 05:10 PM
against anyone that doesn't look like a fish
50NL 3bet pot overpair 3barrel too light? Quote
12-25-2013 , 05:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fonteles
I think 2/3 flop it's ok, given the texture of the flop and the 3b pf. In this case the diferrence between 1/2 and 2/3 of the pot it's not that large, so if the villain chooses to call this sizes of the pot will not hve so much influence in his decision.
the difference between 1/2 and 2/3 is massive from just about every perspective...

Last edited by (.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.); 12-25-2013 at 05:16 PM.
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12-25-2013 , 05:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by (.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)
the difference between 1/2 and 2/3 is massive from just about every perspective...
Tell more, please.

Tks.
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12-25-2013 , 06:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fonteles
Against whic players its better to bet 1/2 the pot?
Against villains who are competent
50NL 3bet pot overpair 3barrel too light? Quote
12-25-2013 , 09:33 PM
When I said bet more, I wasn't trying to say much more. Just enough that a river shove doesn't look so scary and risks isolating his best range. Bet 2 BB more on flop, and no one is going to be like, "too much, I'm folding now." That means turn will be 67BB instead of 63BB and now you can bet 35BB instead of 30BB and river will be 137BB instead of 123BB and when you shove you do so for 58BB into a 137BB pot instead of 65BB into a 123BB pot.

It's really a small change in your bet amount, but it makes a pretty decent change ultimately in your river shoving amount, and in his calling range. Even if only means he will call with worse just 5% more,and it might be higher, that is an extra 4BB you would be getting, which is probably around half your hourly win rate.
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