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12-10-2022 , 01:32 PM
Happy Holidays, everyone

*We should go bigger on this flop because of our overpair advantage, yes?
*The K is a great card for our range--but villain should have more flushes in their range and we probably don't want to be two more streets without a flush ourselves--so I am torn between betting small and a smaller x/r...thoughts?

NL Holdem 0.50(BB)
HERO ($49.50) [VPIP: 24% | PFR: 20.9% | AGG: 34.1% | Flop Agg: 39.7% | Turn Agg: 31.5% | 3-Bet: 12.1% | Fold to 3-Bet: 57.1% | 4-Bet: 16.7% | Hands: 3359]
BB ($77.92)
UTG ($19.84)
HJ ($50)
CO ($71.76)
BTN ($108.99) [VPIP: 42.9% | PFR: 42.9% | AGG: 0% | Flop Agg: 0% | Turn Agg: 0% | 3-Bet: 100% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 7]

Dealt to Hero: 8 8

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Raises To $1.20, HERO Raises To $5.40, BB Folds, BTN Calls $4.20

Hero SPR on Flop: [3.9 effective]
Flop ($11.30): 5 2 8
HERO Bets $4 (Rem. Stack: $40.10), BTN Calls $4 (Rem. Stack: $99.59)

Turn ($19.30): 5 2 8 K
Hero?
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12-10-2022 , 02:35 PM
I'd probably keep betting on the smaller side since he's going to have a lot of stuff that wants to call.
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12-10-2022 , 09:53 PM
is that your standard flop sizing on that board?
I think turn is mix but w/e, just don't bet too big
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12-10-2022 , 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ionutd
is that your standard flop sizing on that board?
I think turn is mix but w/e, just don't bet too big
I am not using multiple sizings and am not playing exploitatively, if I understand your question?

1/3 is my standard, and since this board doesn't hit villain's range very hard I am going to pretty much range bet so yea. Do you think we can go bigger?
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12-11-2022 , 12:37 AM
Flop I think you can go bigger and drop some of your complete air from your cbet range.

Turn you can bet small again.
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12-11-2022 , 01:25 AM
Betting small on this flop doesn't make that much sense.

Low connected board. I'm going for a cr here or betting big (and cr safe turns).

As played you don't have many options other than induce here I think.
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12-11-2022 , 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Franchise804
I am not using multiple sizings and am not playing exploitatively, if I understand your question?

1/3 is my standard, and since this board doesn't hit villain's range very hard I am going to pretty much range bet so yea. Do you think we can go bigger?
We have way too many whiffs to range bet here. GTO would be betting this flop half the time or a bit less with your range, and for a bigger sizing like 1/2-3/4 (I just go 1/2). Betting, x/c, and x/r are all okay on this board so you can mix between them if you want. I like x/r the best because I think people overstab and don't x back stuff like hearts or 76 enough. As played bet turn small is best I think, though yeah x/r isn't awful
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12-11-2022 , 08:03 AM
I barrel turn for a small size. Villain can still call with PP's / FD combos etc.
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12-11-2022 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by JamAdebayo
We have way too many whiffs to range bet here. GTO would be betting this flop half the time or a bit less with your range, and for a bigger sizing like 1/2-3/4 (I just go 1/2). Betting, x/c, and x/r are all okay on this board so you can mix between them if you want. I like x/r the best because I think people overstab and don't x back stuff like hearts or 76 enough. As played bet turn small is best I think, though yeah x/r isn't awful
Agreed, but surprised to hear about a flop x/r for the second time. I guess we are targeting TT-99, JJ sometimes, and flushdraws? Just seems like we block a decent amount of villain's b/c range with the top card...
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12-11-2022 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Franchise804
Agreed, but surprised to hear about a flop x/r for the second time. I guess we are targeting TT-99, JJ sometimes, and flushdraws? Just seems like we block a decent amount of villain's b/c range with the top card...
yeah those hands + 76 + the lower sets. you've hit on why GTOwiz does x/c more than it x/r, but x/r is similar EV in GTO and the more villain bets FDs + 76 + A4 otf the better x/r becomes compared to x/c (when comparing to betting yourself you also have to account for hands that b/f but would just fold to your bet, which depending on villain type can be a lot). Betting is fine tho too just gotta go bigger
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12-11-2022 , 01:15 PM
For those proposing a flop xr, what other value hands would you do this with besides 55? Fwiw, i think 55 is a better xr.
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12-11-2022 , 01:21 PM
As others said i would go for XR too because its not a high % cbet spot and villains overstab plus you can stack 55/22, 99/1010/JJ, or he may just jam w 76 and flushdraws.

As played, i would continue to bet small on turn
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12-11-2022 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Flpmethntsdlr
For those proposing a flop xr, what other value hands would you do this with besides 55? Fwiw, i think 55 is a better xr.
JJ-KK a lot, occasional TT or AA
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12-11-2022 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by JamAdebayo
JJ-KK a lot, occasional TT or AA
How do you determine when to xr or when to just cbet?
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12-11-2022 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Flpmethntsdlr
How do you determine when to xr or when to just cbet?
If the other player is good, use a random number generator. If they're not just eye up their tendencies in combination with the board and determine which is better (if they have a lot of hands they'd call a bet with but would check back then bet, if they're gonna be bluff heavy then x/r)
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12-11-2022 , 06:56 PM
I'd bet flop but size up.

As played I like another small turn bet. Call a raise and evaluate river
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12-11-2022 , 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Franchise804
I am not using multiple sizings and am not playing exploitatively, if I understand your question?

1/3 is my standard, and since this board doesn't hit villain's range very hard I am going to pretty much range bet so yea. Do you think we can go bigger?
ye standard is 2/3 on low boards simply because 1/3 doesn't deny enough equity to overcards, he can just peel a lot ip and you have a bunch of strong but vulnerable hands that would be undercards to a good portion of his calling range
this isn't one of them and you can def bet small as an exploit and let him peel wide and catch smth he won't then let go when you bomb turn and jam river when flush bricks
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