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50nl-3 bet oop vs. agtard... 50nl-3 bet oop vs. agtard...

12-10-2008 , 12:01 AM
Villain stats: small sample 46/11/3.8 in 70 hands. FCB:0/CB:100/F3B:0/Donk Bet: 60%/Check Raise Flop: 33%/Raise CB vs PRF:50 percent.

Preflop hand range assigned:since he is not folding to 3bet's at all I would assume his calling range is position is something like
44+,A2s+,K9s+,QTs+,J9s+,T9s,98s,87s,A5o+,KTo+,QTo+ ,J9o+,T9o

My line:
Preflop: 3 bet for value against the previous mentioned range
Flop: I believe Ak still has decent equity against his donk bet here. I elect to peel and evaluate turn. (against a reg/good player I would check fold in this spot since their 3 bet call range is much more narrow)
Turn: I was kind of torn here. This was the card I was looking for and I believe I hit gin. If he cbet all his Ax type hands I believe he will fire again on turn.

My question:
If I assign a range for him on the turn based on his pot size bet it would be something like this:
JJ,66-55,AQs-AJs,8c7c,AQo+,8c7d,8c7h,8c7s,8d7c,8h7c,8s7c
do you like a shove here or would you prefer a check call on turn and most rivers?


Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG+1: $50.00
MP1: $32.85
MP2: $9.25
CO: $51.70
BTN: $66.10
SB: $37.00
Hero (BB): $69.75
UTG: $8.95

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with A K
5 folds, BTN raises to $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3.25, BTN calls $2.25

Flop: ($6.75) J 5 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50

Turn: ($13.75) A (2 players)
Hero ?
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12-10-2008 , 12:16 AM
Don't shove your entire stack into a 14 dollar pot. I would bet 10 dollars on the turn card. This is any easy flop for him to bet at in position so the ace most likely is a great card for you. If he raises such a substantial turn bet I guess you have to fold. However, there are so many draws in his range you very well may be folding the best hand, but OOP is the main problem against this type of player. Bet turn and if he just calls, c/c any safe river card. He will most likely be betting some sort of busted draw or a hand like kj, qj.
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12-10-2008 , 12:22 AM
Eh

3bet more PF, and I'd cbet the flop, though c/f isn't bad. Against this type of villain he might call with anything, but this flop is dry as hell AND it is only 70 hands sample.

His donk bet stat is irrelevant in this situation too, DUCY?

I don't like c/c at all.
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12-10-2008 , 03:51 AM
ForGlory. Not sure how much morehe should 3bet pf. I like the size there. As for the check on the flop, its tough. I think you gotta cbet that. You are pretty much letting him know you have AK. and i dont think you get any value out of hitting it. I think you need to cbet that flop, and hope for a fold or to hit your ace on the turn.
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12-10-2008 , 07:51 AM
I kind of like this line to just c/c the flop and bet $10 on the turn. For me it seems to work much better against these players. This player has Raise CB vs PRF:50 % and FC: 0%.

This is probably my biggest leak in the game. Usually don't know how to handle the aggtard who keeps re-raising all the time and probably folding to many hands instead of 3-betting or calling
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12-10-2008 , 08:07 AM
I like your line - Villain will bet your hand for you so let him.
I c/c turn and donk most rivers with the intention of calling a shove. TPTK is the nuts here
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12-10-2008 , 08:54 AM
PF 3b is fine, I'd CB the flop. Fold to CB over 70 hands is not really helpfull here, how many times did he actually have the possilibity to fold to a CB? If this looks like 0/1 then it's def worth CBing, if it looks like 0/9 though then checking here is fine.

As played I'd go for a c/r on the turn and get it in on the river.
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12-10-2008 , 09:06 AM
bomb flop, c/r turn and leading are both fine, i am getting it in vs him. his calling 3bet% range is very wide.
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12-10-2008 , 09:09 AM
3bet to $5 preflop or more. Basically 3bet as much as you think he'll call with a worse hand. Bet flop, sometimes you get raised and that sucks, others he folds, and others he calls and you usually have 6 outs when that happens. If you're going to check flop it should be to fold. As played on the turn just check again or bet half pot.
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12-10-2008 , 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Chargers In 08;7554255[B
]3bet to $5 preflop or more. Basically 3bet as much as you think he'll call with a worse hand.[/B] Bet flop, sometimes you get raised and that sucks, others he folds, and others he calls and you usually have 6 outs when that happens. If you're going to check flop it should be to fold. As played on the turn just check again or bet half pot.
im a big fan of this. normally it doesnt work vs regs but i always love repopping fish for more then normal because they dont know whats happening and will likely call a raise that most regs or thinking players would fold. also if he calls a lot larger 3bet then normal make sure to note it for next time. i also agree that if we are reraising this oop pre we need to fire flop almost 100%
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12-10-2008 , 12:13 PM
i think you should C-Bet this flop for $5 just about all day and twice on sunday.

I would check turn as played and give him rope to bluff.

If he bets weak again on turn I would call and then lead at river.
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12-10-2008 , 12:44 PM
I would also raise slightly more than usual pf, say around $5 and being commited if a K or an A appears.

Here, your have to decide if your are commited or not since it's only two pot bet before being all in.

If the vilain doesn't raise so much you can try 2 blocking bets, around half the pot on the turn and the river. He may call with a J and certainly with a weak ace. But since vilain is agressive and may have kind of a hand (big/middle pair, a J, an ace), I would c/r all in on the turn. He may interpret the check as weakness and bet anything and if he check behind it's also a good result (it this case bet the river 2/3 of the pot).

Against this kind of player I would certainly commit, there is no so many hand you fear (AJ , 56).
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12-10-2008 , 05:00 PM
We're facing a guy whose primary weakness is he bets and raises too much with weak hands. Why bet and give him a chance to fold? I like checking the flop, letting him bet, then checking the turn, letting him bet (he's almost always betting the turn IMO) and then coming over the top of him.
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12-10-2008 , 06:48 PM
I think donk out turn is fine. This guy is not much of a thinking player, so I expect him to call alot of the time. It would kind of put you in a weird spot if he raises your donk bet I must say.
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12-10-2008 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by AlexB182
PF 3b is fine, I'd CB the flop. Fold to CB over 70 hands is not really helpfull here, how many times did he actually have the possilibity to fold to a CB? If this looks like 0/1 then it's def worth CBing, if it looks like 0/9 though then checking here is fine.

As played I'd go for a c/r on the turn and get it in on the river.
1.)0/4
2.) There is 27.5 in the pot after he bets pull pot. He has 45.60 left after his pot size bet. What size do you like the rearise to to get stack in by the river.
If he shoves over our reraise we are calling, right?


Turn: ($13.75) A (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $13.75, Hero raises to
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12-10-2008 , 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Zeth
We're facing a guy whose primary weakness is he bets and raises too much with weak hands. Why bet and give him a chance to fold? I like checking the flop, letting him bet, then checking the turn, letting him bet (he's almost always betting the turn IMO) and then coming over the top of him.
this was exactly my thinking!
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12-10-2008 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by HelpWanted0
I think donk out turn is fine. This guy is not much of a thinking player, so I expect him to call alot of the time. It would kind of put you in a weird spot if he raises your donk bet I must say.
can you talk about why you want to donk the turn? I would rather use his aggression to get another bet out of him that I wouldn't maybe get if I donked.
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12-10-2008 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Zeth
We're facing a guy whose primary weakness is he bets and raises too much with weak hands. Why bet and give him a chance to fold? I like checking the flop, letting him bet, then checking the turn, letting him bet (he's almost always betting the turn IMO) and then coming over the top of him.
But this is not really a sound strategy unless you like value towning yourself with Ace high. If you whiff on the turn, are you still c/c?
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12-10-2008 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Wordhappy
Turn: ($13.75) A (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $13.75, Hero raises to
Call and lead small on river or c/c river to. I prefer c/c then lead.
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12-10-2008 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by I vi ii V7
But this is not really a sound strategy unless you like value towning yourself with Ace high. If you whiff on the turn, are you still c/c?
I dont think this is a valuetown myself with ace high! My intent was to evaluate the turn.

Last edited by Wordhappy; 12-10-2008 at 08:14 PM.
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