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50nl 3-bet EP and he flats 50nl 3-bet EP and he flats

05-09-2011 , 07:03 PM
    Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

    CO: $20 (40 bb)
    BTN: $58.70 (117.4 bb) 29/6 over 80 hands 1 tabling passive fish
    SB: $20.25 (40.5 bb)
    Hero (BB): $54.50 (109 bb)
    UTG+1: $50 (100 bb)
    UTG+2: $53.20 (106.4 bb) <<< 16/10 over 225 hands 3-bet % of 1, 4-bet of 14% over 7 samples (so basically once) and 57% fold to 3-bet. EP PFR% 10%.
    MP1: $54.95 (109.9 bb)
    MP2: $54.40 (108.8 bb)
    MP3: $25 (50 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with K K
    UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises to $1.50, 4 folds, BTN calls $1.50, SB folds, Hero raises to $6, UTG+2 calls $4.50, BTN folds

    Flop: ($13.75) 4 Q 4 (2 players)

    I'm unsure where I'm at when UTG+2 flats my 3-bet, I think it has to be pretty strong as I think he would have folded or 4-bet AK/AQ pre.

    So I think his range here is QQ and AA and maybe JJ.

    What is your line from all streets and why?

    50nl 3-bet EP and he flats Quote
    05-09-2011 , 07:53 PM
    if his range is really narrow like here it's not really anything from villains valuerange u beat imo. Looks like he doesnt have AA atleast.

    I doubt he flats your 3bet with AQ-KQ there cause ur 3betting vs an EP/MP raise from blinds which should be considered pretty strong move cause villain is likely to think that u have decent holdings.

    c-bet like you always does and if he calls you bet again cause he is likely to have AQ, JJ, TT, maaaybe KQ for value obv.
    50nl 3-bet EP and he flats Quote
    05-09-2011 , 08:34 PM
    hey brutti i'm confused u say u don't think he flats AQ pre then u say he is likely to have AQ JJ TT if he calls the cbet on the flop.




    Quote:
    Originally Posted by brutti
    if his range is really narrow like here it's not really anything from villains valuerange u beat imo. Looks like he doesnt have AA atleast.

    I doubt he flats your 3bet with AQ-KQ there cause ur 3betting vs an EP/MP raise from blinds which should be considered pretty strong move cause villain is likely to think that u have decent holdings.

    c-bet like you always does and if he calls you bet again cause he is likely to have AQ, JJ, TT, maaaybe KQ for value obv.
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    05-09-2011 , 08:50 PM
    His fold to a 3bet isn't low enough to narrow his range to JJ - AA, especially since he's got pos. Cbet. And fwiw I make it slightly more pre.
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    05-09-2011 , 09:52 PM
    yeah I dont like it but there is a possibility that he is doing it.
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    05-09-2011 , 10:22 PM
    1) Bet more pre - 14-15bb, because
    a) You're OOP
    b) Fish flatted OTB. Reg is more likely to flat with a wide speculative range cuz of fish

    2) This is a GREAT flop for you. Stop trying to put V on that ONE hand, its detrimental to your game. If you're going to put V on 2 hands AA/QQ then why are you 3bing pre? I assume its for value, so now go ahead and get your stack in.

    3) My line is b/c b/c b/c
    50nl 3-bet EP and he flats Quote
    05-09-2011 , 10:58 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by theboot
    1) Bet more pre - 14-15bb, because
    a) You're OOP
    b) Fish flatted OTB. Reg is more likely to flat with a wide speculative range cuz of fish

    2) This is a GREAT flop for you. Stop trying to put V on that ONE hand, its detrimental to your game. If you're going to put V on 2 hands AA/QQ then why are you 3bing pre? I assume its for value, so now go ahead and get your stack in.

    3) My line is b/c b/c b/c
    I like the sizing pre. The fish obv has no odds to call what so ever if he is setminig or what ever his plan is here, also if u make it bigger it sometimes they will get afraid and fold(rare though) I just think the sizing is fine, its easy getting stack in anyway on flop or turn.
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    05-09-2011 , 11:43 PM
    bet call no good
    50nl 3-bet EP and he flats Quote
    05-10-2011 , 01:22 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mayox
    bet call no good
    go on...
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    05-10-2011 , 02:43 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mayox
    bet call no good
    Yeah. There are not many Qx hands in a 10% ep opening range: QQ, AQ, KQs and maybe KQo; AQ is the only hand we can bet for value against and probably for 3 streets. It's pretty unlikely that he calls the 3-bet with KQ + with our two kings and the queen on the board, KQ is pretty much blocked. But given that hero's 3-bet% is a little on the higher side, if i remeber right, villain could easy call with AQ.

    If you would have c-bet this board with AK, c-betting would be good now. But if not, checking and check/calling if he bets has it's merits. By checking you allow him to make a mistake with JJ or TT, or you make sure that you get at least one street of value on later streets. If his fold to c-bet is low, c-betting would be better, because he would call with JJ and TT and you can get value, before a scare card hits.
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