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11-28-2011 , 11:28 AM
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Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11153712

BB: $50 (100 bb)
UTG: $98.50 (197 bb)
MP: $143.50 (287 bb)
CO: $50 (100 bb)
BTN: $20 (40 bb)
Hero (SB): $50 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T T
4 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.50) 6 T 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.65, BB calls $1.65

Turn: ($5.80) J (2 players)
Hero bets $4, BB raises to $14.15 Villains range?
 - TT BvB with unknown Quote
11-28-2011 , 11:34 AM
2p pairs, worse sets, AJ/KJ/QJ pick up turn FD pair plus draw A9cc K9cc lots that you beat. 78/KQ/Q8 that beat you be you still have 20% vs straights.

I guess you lost this hand else you wouldnt post it.
 - TT BvB with unknown Quote
11-28-2011 , 11:36 AM
Ugly. He 'shouldnt' have KQ here, but might do depending on how often he floats. He would prob 3bet JJ pre. He can do this with a worse set, obv 67. I'd call and c/c most rivers, except on a 4 str8 board. I'd donk big on the river if we boat up
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11-28-2011 , 11:38 AM
Sorry i'd shove the river if we boat up given stack sizes
 - TT BvB with unknown Quote
11-28-2011 , 11:42 AM
I prob jam turn btw
 - TT BvB with unknown Quote
11-28-2011 , 11:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Mick00
2p pairs, worse sets, AJ/KJ/QJ pick up turn FD pair plus draw A9cc K9cc lots that you beat. 78/KQ/Q8 that beat you be you still have 20% vs straights.

I guess you lost this hand else you wouldnt post it.
its pretty irrelevant if I won or lost


ok so, 2 pair - JT/J9, everything else raise otf?

worse sets - not think they are more like to raise flop?

AJ/KJ/QJ - much more likely to call than raise?

Same goes for draws with pairs, cant see anyone raising those.
 - TT BvB with unknown Quote
11-28-2011 , 11:54 AM
I don't like your open size bvb. 3x seems a lot better bvb.

I also don't really care much for villains range as he's unknown so there's no reason to flat turn and you're getting it in anyway.
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11-28-2011 , 11:57 AM
Vs fish range on turn is superwide and you beat most of it.
Vs reg range should be semibluffs and straights, weighted towards straights, and I'm not feeling very good about my hand - it's a bluffcatcher.
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11-28-2011 , 12:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by neok
I don't like your open size bvb. 3x seems a lot better bvb.

I also don't really care much for villains range as he's unknown so there's no reason to flat turn and you're getting it in anyway.
well this is the range I gave him .....



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1,144 games 0.005 secs 228,800 games/sec

Board: 6c Td 9h Jc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 71.241% 71.24% 00.00% 815 0.00 { JJ, KQs, J9s+, 87s, KQo }
Hand 1: 28.759% 28.76% 00.00% 329 0.00 { TcTh }


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We need 30% equity to breakeven but given IO, to me it seems better to call and try and boat up then XF river. When the river pairs we have like 90% equity and when it bricks we have like 11% equity.
 - TT BvB with unknown Quote
11-28-2011 , 12:02 PM
Bet bigger on the flop, $2.20 or so will get you a lot more value than the size you chose.

Turn bet size is fine, could be slightly larger.

Against an unknown I would assume villain to have the following hands that you beat: 66, 99, T9, JT, J9, 69s. Of these I would say that JT, J9, 66 and 99 are most likely. He either hit the turn, or slowplayed the flop and now feels like he should raise the turn.

He could be beating you with: 87, Q8, KQ. Of these hands, KQ and Q8 seems to be the most likely, since 87 will usually raises the flop. I didn't include JJ in his range, maybe include it a very small % of the time. A vast majority of players will be 3betting you here preflop in this spot though with Jacks.

The hands you are beating you are crushing, the hands that beat you you still have like 20% equity against, so i'm shipping here on the turn.
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11-28-2011 , 12:04 PM
I really dont like putting 96s/Q8s into an unknowns range and am I the only one thinking sets raise flop?
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11-28-2011 , 12:10 PM
He's an unknown, you HAVE to include at least some combos of 69, Q8 and slowplayed sets on the flop. That's the entire point of planning to play vs an unknown, we don't know exactly what they will do. To assume an unknown will never do any 1 particular thing is a very big mistake.

I'm not saying he's calling every 96/Q8 as a default, but bare minimum include 25% of the combos that make up those hands.
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11-28-2011 , 12:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ProfesorKaos
well this is the range I gave him .....



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1,144 games 0.005 secs 228,800 games/sec

Board: 6c Td 9h Jc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 71.241% 71.24% 00.00% 815 0.00 { JJ, KQs, J9s+, 87s, KQo }
Hand 1: 28.759% 28.76% 00.00% 329 0.00 { TcTh }


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We need 30% equity to breakeven but given IO, to me it seems better to call and try and boat up then XF river. When the river pairs we have like 90% equity and when it bricks we have like 11% equity.
That range seems pretty tight. It also doesn't make sense that you think sets raise the flop, but JJ flats pre bvb. Take away JJ and see what your equity is. Add a smaller set and maybe 1 combo of JT and you have a verrrry profitable shove.

This also doesn't include random spazzes and ******ed valueraises by villain.
You're thinking way too much and flatting this turn bvb is flatout bad.
 - TT BvB with unknown Quote
11-28-2011 , 12:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PokerGooner1
Ugly. He 'shouldnt' have KQ here, but might do depending on how often he floats. He would prob 3bet JJ pre. He can do this with a worse set, obv 67. I'd call and c/c most rivers, except on a 4 str8 board. I'd donk big on the river if we boat up
I think folding with overs and a gutshot and even aback door FD if its suited would be a mistake.

That range is way to tight. If he jammed you want to fold a set here can you see how bad it is to raise those hands? and how good it is to semi-bluff here?
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11-28-2011 , 12:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Mick00
I think folding with overs and a gutshot and even aback door FD if its suited would be a mistake.

That range is way to tight. If he jammed you want to fold a set here can you see how bad it is to raise those hands? and how good it is to semi-bluff here?
how bad it is to raise what hands?
 - TT BvB with unknown Quote
11-28-2011 , 12:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by neok
That range seems pretty tight. It also doesn't make sense that you think sets raise the flop, but JJ flats pre bvb. Take away JJ and see what your equity is. Add a smaller set and maybe 1 combo of JT and you have a verrrry profitable shove.

This also doesn't include random spazzes and ******ed valueraises by villain.
You're thinking way too much and flatting this turn bvb is flatout bad.
ye I can see this, he can have a wider range and we have 28% against the top of it. i mean I put TJ/J9 in but not sets lol
 - TT BvB with unknown Quote
11-28-2011 , 12:59 PM
its bad to raise hands that beat you if you want to fold top set.
 - TT BvB with unknown Quote
11-28-2011 , 01:03 PM
Im counfused mick

I put in sets and I can see we have 41% equity with JJ included and we only need 30% to breakeven, so are we shoving for value against draws and spazzes?
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11-28-2011 , 01:09 PM
I forgot my most important piece of advice, you should make this your avatar to activate infinite rungood.

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11-28-2011 , 01:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FTWStrategy
I forgot my most important piece of advice, you should make this your avatar to activate infinite rungood.

lol?
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11-28-2011 , 02:15 PM
Are you telling me your name is ProfesorKaos and it's not referencing south park?
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11-28-2011 , 02:23 PM
Why would that avatar give him luck anyways? His eye is bleeding...
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11-28-2011 , 02:28 PM
we have a lot of equity


Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

4,180 games 0.005 secs 836,000 games/sec

Board: Td 9h 6c Jc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.833% 49.83% 00.00% 2083 0.00 { TT }
Hand 1: 50.167% 50.17% 00.00% 2097 0.00 { 99, 66, KQs, J9s+, T9s, 87s, KQo, JTo }
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11-28-2011 , 03:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FTWStrategy
Are you telling me your name is ProfesorKaos and it's not referencing south park?
ldo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Back off Kiddo
Why would that avatar give him luck anyways? His eye is bleeding...
this
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