MP1 : 17/0 over 6
BTN 3b : 39/26/3AF, 20% 3b over 32 hands


I think shoving over BTN's 3b is fine b/c there is a lot of dead money and he's short, but I also have been noticing a TON of players are now flatting EP raises with QQ+ and like to back raise 4b or just tarp you post flop. SO my thoughts are, if I flat his 3b and get backraised by UTG+2 / MP2 I can safely fold at little cost.

I think folding flop is possible b/c a lot of sets are in his donking range, he can do this with 1010 and obv slow played big pairs. Just an annoying spot.

Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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SB: $50.00
BB: $21.35
Hero (UTG): $50.25
UTG+1: $80.25
UTG+2: $42.85
MP1: $64.75
MP2: $26.55
CO: $27.25
BTN: $19.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with J J
Hero raises to $1.50, UTG+1 calls $1.50, UTG+2 calls $1.50, 3 folds, BTN raises to $5.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $4, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $4

Flop: ($18.75) 3 9 8 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets $10.50, BTN folds, Hero calls $10.50

Turn: ($39.75) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets $26.85 all in, Hero ?

c/f flop vs UTG+2, but IMO he should have never seen the flop. I have no idea why you called preflop instead of 4-betting and putting the BTN all in.

edit: You are thinking in the wrong way. Flatting because "he might backraise 4b oh noes!! then I can safely fold!" is pretty bad I think. Why not just 4b yourself to an amount that does not commit you vs QQ+????

BTN 3b to $5.50, I'd have to 4b to at least $12 or $13 and UTG+2 is 80 BB deep. I could never 4b / fold to a shove from UTG + 2 given the pot odds. You don't see how that would be terrible?

How is thinking he might backraise the wrong way to think? It's a perfectly logical reason to flat the 3b / fold because we're never getting bluffed and are flipping or WB his 4b range anyway.

because now you have an overpair in a 3b pot on a relatively safe board and you want to fold.

That doesn't make 4b/folding good in any way

put button in pre. fold flop or stack off to utg2

ok well then 4b/call or as you played it, c/f the flop vs UTG+2