Hi, villain seems to be a correct player, 25/19/8, AF2, AFq 38 %, Squeeze 8%over 318hands.
OR is a reg too, 23/17, steal 28%, fold to 3bet 71%
Hero is 29/22/8, cbet F 71%

3bet pre std ?


When he just call on this heavy drawy board, i think TP is the top of his range, he can have brodways that make pair+draw, may be 99, JJ.
So what do you do OTT ? b/c, c/c, b/f, c/shove maybe ?

Thoughts on sizings ?

PokerStars - €0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: €60.92
UTG: €59.51
MP: €70.33
CO: €32.05
BTN: €57.75
Hero (SB): €50.00

Hero posts SB €0.25, BB posts BB €0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.75) Hero has 7 A

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to €1.50, Hero raises to €5.50, BB calls €5.00, fold

Flop: (€12.50, 2 players) T 8 Q
Hero bets €7.00, BB calls €7.00

Turn: (€26.50, 2 players) 6
Hero ?

bet

How much ? Bet/call ? plan river if he flats ?

Bet big on turn and I'd be prepared to bluff on scary river cards.

chevk shove

Say hero bets big, €20,50 into €26,50 for example.

He will only have €17 left to fire into a pot of ~€66 on the river so if you miss the river, you should check/give up and save the rest of your money. Can't bluff on scary river cards with that stack.

well, I would bet enough to set up a shove, hp or something and just give up river UI. we wont get many hands calling twice light and folding river i dont think, and we too much equity and IO to give up

bet/calling or bet/folding is simply a matter of pot odds, if his shove leaves you with enough odds to call. you need to bet a reasonable size that commits you

Oh right I didn't see that it was a 3bet pot. I'd probably bet smaller, like 65-70% and give up if we miss. If the villain can bet a pair worse than top pair then check/shoving has merits.

c/jam is better I think

Why? What valuehands are we x/j ing? Can you explain why x/j > b/c?

Why wouldn't you ever x/jam w/AA/KK? AA/KK are definitely in my x/jam range.

When you b/c it assumes he raises which we have no reason to believe. If he has AQ/KQ he shouldn't ever raise vs us because we can't (or shouldn't) really call with worse. I would rather x/jam because it allows us to always see the river, either he bets and we jam, or he checks behind, so we always realize our equity. PLUS we get to be the one to put the last bet it rather than call off a draw with only 1 card to come.

I think leading turn with no river fold equity is not so great.

Tough spot but leading turn, or x/c'ing is pretty ugly.

What do we do if he checks back and brick comes otr? Ac comes otr?

Ac - small lead, like $7

brick - obv x/f

Thats why it works so well is you always see the river.

VS villains you play often you should have a x/r range to keep them from floating too much when you give up in 3b pots

bet/call and bet/bet > c/jam turn

He can jam those TP hands vs a bet to make us fold stuff like our hand which has a decent amount of equity against him. I would shove with KQ here in villain's shoes vs an aggressive opponent because I think it is better than calling and calling river and definitely better than calling and having to fold the river. It obviously isn't great to get called as mentioned but we still won't lose 100% of the time when called and could potentially get called by worse.

I don't think x/jam is terrible but I would bet because I prefer to bet with most of my value hands here and I don't think a lot of people WOULD jam TP here even though I have shown there are benefits of doing so. I would also say that the argument for always realising our equity is bad seeing as by checking you allow villain to always realise their equity.

Thanks for replies guys.
In game i chose to bet 18/call, because i would have never check AQ+ or any value hand on this board full of draws, and i was expecting villain to xback a lot of medium hands.

Finally he shoved AA, i hit flush, and that was the start of an epic trashtalking

you can rep a very strong hand if you bet and AQ will have a hard time. JJ will fold.

don't like a c/r because you don't rep AA-QQ so well and have less FE vs JJ and Qx.

Plenty of people go for c/r routinely OTT in a 3 bet pot w TPTK+. Maybe not OP or you or me but that hardly matters.
The real plus point w c/r here is that at these stakes villains are mostly bad valuebettors and will check behind even AQ let alone underpairs like JJ OTOH they will quite often bet draws of which there are plenty on this board and against them we are happy to get it in because we have the A high. If we knew villain vbets thinly and plays draws passively then I agree c/r would be bad.

I think most people are just checking with draws and middle pair and betting with TP+

+1, I def prefer the x/jam everything else sucks