It usually depends on the villain, imo. I like 3betting the ones that are generally wealthier and have large egos that will 4bet shove AJ / TT+ and even random garbage sometimes because they think you're picking on them because they're tilting (or simply to gamble and get back some of their winnings). Other villains may be tilting when they do this large raise but they're still loose passive at heart and will just flat their entire range in position against you and now you're playing a big pot OOP against TT/JJ that is calling any flop bet that does not contain an A or K and folding when it does hit.

I mean, I guess I just think it kind of depends on the situation. Also, if he raises UTG and then 5 hungry donks licking their chops all call trying to bust the tilting fish, there's going to be a lot of dead money in the pot and we don't mind just 3betting largely and getting it in against any of their ranges.

Ok, thanks those are some good explanations. So your saying your definitely playing for stacks( w/AK) with 200bb vs this wealthy/aggro/tilty fish and if you think he may want to get it in your going for it. If ya don't mind how far have you been willing to take this? 300bb,400bb? Here, as always one comes back to the importance of playing with a big enough BR for the stakes/stacks he/she is playing. I understand the other 2 situations also. What about playing vs 'The Passive' at heart when your IP and he raises 8x+ and has 200bb+? I have been 3 betting this spot almost always but what do you think?
, thanks again

I think getting in AK for over 150 bbs at a full ring live game is pretty spew without the proper reads aforementioned. And when you're in position on the passive guy who might be tilting and raises 8x, either 3betting or calling is fine since their range is hardly ever AA or KK with that kind of open anyways so you won't have to worry about getting 4bet (especially by anything you beat considering this is live and villains hardly ever 4bet bluff). I mean, they're rarely folding their 99-JJ, but at least you get to play the hand in position and barrel scare cards as well / take free rivers after you cbet.

Calling turn I think is interesting line. Shoving I'm not sure how I feel about it. Seems like we have to be ahead, but can we really expect to get value from anything worse? I guess since he's tilty I like the shove so he may look you up with stubborn call T's or something.

I came up with a sorta formula to guide me when stacks are deep and I'm in the blinds facing a raise with KK,QQ and AK+. It is just a guide but it seems to make sense. One of the reasons I came to this was I read the Bobby Hoff interview in the back of Dan Harringtons recent book and got to thinking when Hoff said after 40 years of playing he still does not know what to do w/KK OOP when Deep and facing a raise.
Here it is: My SAP reraise from OOP is pot+2bb. So as long as I can get an effective stack to pot ratio of LESS than 4 to 1, if one or more opponents were to call my reraise, it made sense to RR w/KK,QQ,AK+. The reason for this was because at less than 4 to 1 SPR, #1. the money goes in so easily w/ QQ, the 69% of the time I'm gonna like the flop and with KK, the 88% of the time I'm gonna like the flop. So what about AK then? Now, I guess comes the question of how important it is to 'balance' ones ranges in a live cash NLH game? #2. w/ KK,QQ and a SPR of less than 4 no middle or small pair will be getting the right odds to play for a set.
So I can see even if I am getting the golden SPR of less than 4 to 1 w/AK, if the loose passive fish has position and will call every time and will not give action on A,K boards then reraise OOP in this spot makes no sense. I guess in general there has to be some fold equity OOP, deep to RR w/ AK. And the low SPR is nice also because if AQ or AJ get stubborn well then the $ is going in.
Your reasoning was the same I used to decide on 3 betting deep OOP w/ QQ as long as I can get the low SPR if I get a call. If AK looks me up he has the worst of it and cannot win money vs me hardly ever. I give up if an Ace or king hit but 69% of the time I'm gonna like the flop and I have got him to put in more money bf in a deceptively bad situation for him. The only times he'll stack me is when he has AKs and flops a flush or when he hits broadway and I hit a set and miss a full house.
So I can see the benifit of just calling OOP w/AK if the opponent is very stubborn.

Thanks. I guess i still do not understand why IP vs this guy calling should be an option when Deep? Especially when you gave so many great reasons to 3 bet? Why not just 3 bet the AK IP/deep every time?