Reads
- calls wide oop (100%)
- chases flush draws multiple streets to strong bets
- oop called a 2/3 flop bet with K5o on a Q9Tr flop, cked turn J and I cked back, bet close to pot on the river
- doesn't fold to cbet much
-limps lots - over 50%, raises 20ish %
-c/r flop with a set, cked turn and bet river 1/2 pot

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 5.25 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (2 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (BB) (t1095)
SB (t1905)

Hero's M: 24.33

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6, 8
SB calls t15, Hero checks

Flop: (t60) 7, 2, 8 (2 players)
Hero bets t45, SB calls t45

Turn: (t150) A (2 players)
Hero bets t110, SB calls t110

River: (t370) K (2 players)
Hero bets t210, SB raises to t1720 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: t790

Fire the flop for value, turn I fire again as I know he chases draws and if he does have a better 8 he may fold (an I have lost of outs), and river I have to bet - think I bet too much but want to make it look believable. C/f river or bet/f smaller?

does not compute with

sorry spamzor - don't really know why I posted that "I have to bet" that river - It's actually one of the questions i wanted to ask;

1)Is bet sizing ok?
2)firing the turn ok? should I bet a little less?
3)river bet ok? Spew? What about the sizing? Turn a hand with sd value into a bluff?
thanks

River is villain dependant.

Bet/fold river 1/3 or 1/2 pot looks best if I understood right that he's a really passive player. Don't hate c/folding either. I c/c this river vs some, but against a passive player it's usually a losing call I think, since they usually don't bet missed draws.

river is terrible lead.

deciding whether to check/call or check/fold?


I'm going to assume he bets rivers with all flush that missed.

would he lead the river with KhXh if checked to him?

would he raise flop always with pair+fd (i.e.Qh2h)?
would he raise the flop with fd+2 overcards (i.e AhTh (does he raise these hands preflop? noticed he limped postflop)?
would he raise with gs+fd (i.e. Jh9h/5h4h)? would he raise with oesfd (i.e. Th9h?)

There is very few flush draws you beat..Gotta assume he folds straight draws (T9/65) on turn.

check/call

assuming that he raises suited broadway preflop, assuming that he raises flop with FD+2overs, FD+GS, FD+OESD, FD+Pair we get this:


Board: 7h 2c 8h Ac Ks
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 69.231% 69.23% 00.00% 18 0.00 { 8c6c }
Hand 1: 30.769% 30.77% 00.00% 8 0.00 { Ah6h, Ah5h, Ah4h, Ah3h, Kh6h, Kh5h, Kh4h, Kh3h, Qh6h, Qh5h, Qh4h, Qh3h, Jh6h, Jh5h, Jh4h, Jh3h, Js3s, Th5h, Th4h, Th3h, 9h4h, 9s4s, 9h3h, 6h3h, 5h3h, 4h3h }

If we add in hands like Ah9h/Kh9h/Qh9h, we get this:


Board: 7h 2c 8h Ac Ks
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 65.517% 65.52% 00.00% 19 0.00 { 8c6c }
Hand 1: 34.483% 34.48% 00.00% 10 0.00 { Ah9h, Ah6h, Ah5h, Ah4h, Ah3h, Kh9h, Kh6h, Kh5h, Kh4h, Kh3h, Qh9h, Qh6h, Qh5h, Qh4h, Qh3h, Jh6h, Jh5h, Jh4h, Jh3h, Js3s, Th5h, Th4h, Th3h, 9h4h, 9s4s, 9h3h, 6h3h, 5h3h, 4h3h }

firing turn for value seems good against described villain, but what do you want to accomplish with the riverbet? i think it is way too thin for value and you won't fold out an ace. maybe a K or an 8 but i wouldnt be too sure about that.

Yeah, I think betting the river is bad for exactly the reason you discovered... We have showdown value, and there's even a good chance we have the best hand, but we can't really take the heat of a raise in this situation.

I'm checking, and whether it's a call or fold is villain dependent. I'm not really sure how big a river bet I call... Given your reads this guy likes to get a little tricky - with his set he checked turn and bet 1/2 pot on river, which is a very different line from call/call/shove. He limps a lot so he very well could have a weak K or A.

I think we're beat quite often on the river, but I think I check/call up to about 3/4 pot because I'm a donk.

up till river line is def fine
what are you doing on river though? bluffing or valuebetting? you think he'll fold 98/T8/J8/Q8 (which btw are a ridic small % of his range)? you think he'll call 7x?
if you have a read that he chases draws a lot, by all means, check and let him bluff (or if you have a read that he doesn't bluff them, you can check and fold pretty much although he wouldn't be repping a lot; if he doesnt bluff them you may also make a small blockbet vs 7x for like 1/5th pot or smth)

Thanks for the replies.
I guess if I was planning on bet/folding I should be betting smaller on the river.
Borderline - thats for putting all the work into you analysis and creating those ranges. Just wondering why you didn't put any 8's in his range?
My thinking for the river was considering his range - a mix of missed draws, 8's, and maybe some turned A's and possibly some made 2 pair on the river - I was unsure a passive/call stationy villian would stab the river as a bluff with his missed draws and would hate to check and seee him check behind with a better 8 (89, 8T, 8J, 8Q) or maybe a weak K (Kxhh) that he may of folded to a river bet.

Don't know if this helps but a couple hands prior to this hand about 700 chips (after losing to guttered straight with my lower straight and his set vs my 2 pair)
I opened KJo otb 2.5x, and he flatted - flop came 45Kddd monotone giving me tp and a J high flush draw, I cbet 3/4 pot and he called, turn brought the 3d and he checked and I checked behind, and the river came the 6d - he pushed and I called - he had 32hh. So I guess he can make plays at the river making c/c or c/f a better line - it's just I really didn't know if it was standard to bluff catch with 3rd pair on this flop.

spamzor - I'm valuebluffing river?

I didn't put an 8 in his range just because it's a very small part of his range (i mean, the only 8s he has that isn't 2 pair and that you're not chopping with is Q8/J8/T8/98) and also because him value betting an 8 is so slim it's most likely not profitable.

The problem with betting and him being a passive call station is that he will call the river with a better 8. Call stations call with a pair. Even if it doesn't make sense. And our hand is way too slim for value to expect to get called by worse and win.

If he's really passive, even though i showed you the 65%, we could still fold if he bluffs like a low % of the time.

Also there is zero way he's folding Khxh here.