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09-26-2010 , 03:52 PM

planB_

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Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $10(BB) Full Tilt
SB ($1,073)
BB ($1,570)
UTG ($431)
UTG+1 ($1,598)
Hero ($1,037)
BTN ($1,000)

Dealt to Hero Q

fold, fold, Hero raises to $30, BTN calls $30, fold, fold

FLOP ($75) T

Hero bets $50, BTN calls $50

TURN ($175) T

Hero bets $110, BTN raises to $320

villain is tim0thee on ftp.. I actually don't think he should raise any hand on the turn. my image is straight forward so far, not too many hands at the table.

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09-27-2010 , 12:55 AM

mmac900

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Why wouldnt he raise 9x, there is tons of draws. Id fold.

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09-27-2010 , 01:22 AM

GSWarriors

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what do u expect people to say here? jam it in

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09-27-2010 , 02:07 AM

flash75gordon

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Originally Posted by GSWarriors

what do u expect people to say here? jam it in

again some more completely awful advice from gswarriors

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09-27-2010 , 03:42 AM

thatssosick

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Originally Posted by planB_

I actually don't think he should raise any hand on the turn.

which is why he would raise 9x and level the **** out of you making you shove QJ so he can snap call your shizzle

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09-27-2010 , 03:59 AM

mperich

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Yah, don't see why he wouldn't raise a 9 here (or better, altho I would be more likely to call w/ better). It's not like ur gonna barrel off a ton on the river and I think he is way more likely to get stacks in by raising the turn than by raising the river...esp since theres a ton of bad rivs for him to raise bare nines on (Any 8+ and all diamonds) unless he has a high river bluffraising frequency/history with you.

-Mike

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09-27-2010 , 06:24 AM

planB_

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well I think I am rarely betting flop and turn on this board structure to c/f rivers..
so I think that raising this turn is bad for his range and it makes me play way better vs his range as I have an easy decision with most of my range.

the "he expects you to be confused so to shove some weaker hands vs his 9" cant really justify his play here vs me, we have no crazy history or anything.

i just want to understand why he plays a part of his range that way, as hes really good acc to ptr. i cant see why..

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09-27-2010 , 07:39 AM

jackwilcox

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so you think he should float twice and try to take the pot away on the river if he has air/draw himself? like you said, you arent check-folding much on the river with a lot of your 2barrel range so that wouldnt make sense.

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09-27-2010 , 07:53 AM

gorlom

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that's why he's thinking about shoving.

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09-27-2010 , 08:06 AM

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planB_

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Originally Posted by jackwilcox

it makes perfect sense to do that due to that frequency..
if my turnbarrel range is almost = my riverbarrel range, he should delay any bluff or value raise to the river imo.

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09-27-2010 , 09:05 AM

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jackwilcox

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oh, i thought u meant a lot of your barreling range on turn would be either betting or check-calling the river, hence calling turn to steal on the river would be bad.

idk, i mean thing is, if he waits to river to raise you are more likely to call the raise (closing the action, better pot odds etc), whereas when you are raised on the turn you have to think about river action too. from balance perspective he should definitally have a turn raising range here i think.

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09-27-2010 , 01:36 PM

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IHaveStrong9

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I knew I should have flatted 9 10 in the big blind. ****.

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09-27-2010 , 07:25 PM

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benbrochill

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I don't really see how this is a weird turn spot. your p/f flop action could easily rep an overpair even. He might consider this a vraise on turn. plus Ad10d needs to pay.

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09-27-2010 , 07:26 PM

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wdead

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Originally Posted by planB_

I actually don't think he should raise any hand on the turn.

So you think he should have a river overbet shoving range instead of a turn raising range?

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09-27-2010 , 07:28 PM

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wdead

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Originally Posted by planB_

it makes perfect sense to do that due to that frequency..
if my turnbarrel range is almost = my riverbarrel range, he should delay any bluff or value raise to the river imo.

He can't really get stacks in this way depending on your sizing.
Raising allows him to set prices and set up stacks...

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09-28-2010 , 05:40 PM

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just_incredible

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just get away from the hand and fold.

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