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5/10 Thin River or No? 5/10 Thin River or No?

06-10-2010 , 09:11 PM
The game is 5/10 NL. Hero is crushing it, having turned 1500 into 4K+ in about 3 hours hitting big hands and getting action. Hero has also been caught bluffing hands on Turn/River. Game is now 6 handed. Villain is winning, tricky, loose calling-stationy player--plays alot of hands preflop, tends not to 3bet/4bet with premium pairs to disguise the rest of his range. Villain is noted for making good hero calls on ugly boards vs. live aggression (e.g. calling 2/3 pot bet with JJ on a board of AQ359 with 3 spades). Villain will get out of the way when he feels there is a problem. We have taken about 500 off of villain taking a strange line in an earlier hand, so he's looking to mix it up.

Stacks:
Hero: 3000+
Villain: ~1600

Table is 6 handed.

Villain limps UTG
Folds
Hero raises Cutoff to 35 with KhQh
BTN calls (he has auto-called 70% of my raises)
Sb folds
BB folds
Villain calls

Flop:

3d 5h 9s

checks to hero. Hero bets 75 dollars. BTN folds Villain raises to 200...

I know that villain is c/r any pair here. Thinking that with a big turn raise on another heart I might be able to get him off the hand, and most likely any K or Q is good.
Hero calls

Turn: Ks (Hero does a little happy dance for the gods of poker)

Villain checks. Hero bets 250. Villain calls--i am almost positive I am ahead, but i have no idea where villain is.

River As Flush + Over are now there...

Villain checks. Hero?
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06-11-2010 , 12:16 AM
Versus this particular villain it sounds like it might be profitable. As it does look like you are barelling overs. However villain might doubt that you would bluff him as he has proven that he can make hero calls.
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06-11-2010 , 02:52 AM
Based on your assumptions it seems like he's calling 9x, so absolutely bet like 2/3 pot. I mean, wtf does he CR that flop with than C/C the K turn that magically got there on the river and than he checked?

Also, the K turn and river A are such great cards for you to be barreling air as well you really need a decent value range as well.

I'd also be suuper shocked if you ever got CR here.
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06-11-2010 , 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by coxquinn
Based on your assumptions it seems like he's calling 9x, so absolutely bet like 2/3 pot. I mean, wtf does he CR that flop with than C/C the K turn that magically got there on the river and than he checked?

Also, the K turn and river A are such great cards for you to be barreling air as well you really need a decent value range as well.

I'd also be suuper shocked if you ever got CR here.
+1

I agree with the above comment; though knowing villain I think 3-400 would be the right amount. I was concerned that he might go for a bluff, but river c/r bluffs seem out of his normal M.O. Further, I have a known tendency to check or call on the river with legitimate holdings.

As played I checked, showed the KQ and won. I think, given villains tendencies that a bet was correct.
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06-14-2010 , 05:10 PM
played terrible. check flop. fold to c/r. bet river and call a chcek/raise
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06-14-2010 , 05:16 PM
cool hand, i like how you played it and i agree w this.

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Originally Posted by coxquinn
Based on your assumptions it seems like he's calling 9x, so absolutely bet like 2/3 pot. I mean, wtf does he CR that flop with than C/C the K turn that magically got there on the river and than he checked?

Also, the K turn and river A are such great cards for you to be barreling air as well you really need a decent value range as well.

I'd also be suuper shocked if you ever got CR here.
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06-15-2010 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by oldjude
cool hand, i like how you played it and i agree w this.

me2
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06-15-2010 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by sayid_the_saviour
played terrible. check flop. fold to c/r. bet river and call a chcek/raise
LoL ... Who the hell checks this flop?

Nice hand... bet the river, it's spots like this where you make back the money you lose from floating unsuccessfully
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06-15-2010 , 02:12 AM
bet, bet and bet some more
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06-15-2010 , 02:37 AM
check flop all day long
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06-15-2010 , 03:10 AM
bet the most you think he will call with a 9, nice hand, easy game
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06-15-2010 , 06:35 AM
If both my overs are good, his CR is not big enough for me to fold, b/c he will pay out if I hit. (if he CR with a slight overbet, e.g. raising to 400 instead of 200 then I probably have to fold).

I'm still mad I didn't bet river here.

C-Bet Aside, subtle texture:
I usually check when the flop misses me--though villain may not have quite enough experience playing with me to have good memory of this. So people who play with me regularly are aware that I have a c-bet percentage ~50%, sometimes lower. Result: I sometimes get folds to c-bets, even though this is 2010 (granted my c-bet range is tilted towards things like 1pair+, erego the folds). So I read his mini c/r as something like a 9 or 8s, 10s, Js.

I really needed to pick up 300 in value on that river. That would have also been really good for my metagame against villain. Learning moment.
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