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5/10 - Shove this or not? 5/10 - Shove this or not?

10-10-2009 , 01:04 PM
BB is squeezing 8% of his hands playing 25/20/7.8 (4bet 22%, range 4.3%)
opener is unknown that why I liked flatting here more than 3betting.
He is playing 15/15 over 34 hands so far

limper is obv a fish playing 48/13

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $10(BB) Replayer
SB ($970)
BB ($1,300)
UTG ($3,734)
UTG+1 ($956)
CO ($985)
Hero ($1,495)

Dealt to Hero T T

fold, UTG+1 calls $10, CO raises to $45, Hero calls $45, fold, BB raises to $170, fold, CO calls $125, Hero ??


BB and me are 130bb deep effective. Whats the best play here?
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10-10-2009 , 01:12 PM
call
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10-11-2009 , 09:27 AM
And just play for set value?
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10-11-2009 , 09:47 AM
I dont player higher than 3/6 but I cant see how this isnt a shove
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10-11-2009 , 10:12 AM
alll in, calling sucks.
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10-11-2009 , 02:37 PM
I'm not sure how much I like a shove due to 130bb .. I think its a little close cuz of that

You could go and do the maths tho if u really want to. It's a fairly simple situation to calculate the EV of a shove.
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10-11-2009 , 05:02 PM
I fold or call (implied odds) I dont like shoving this deep.
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10-11-2009 , 05:04 PM
def. shove imo

hitman4hire awesome to see you back !
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10-11-2009 , 05:23 PM
I like shoving.
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10-11-2009 , 05:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SA3
def. shove imo

hitman4hire awesome to see you back !

Sweet bro hope you runnin good
Me personally i fold this but hell im weak and passive.
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10-11-2009 , 05:48 PM
either call and play for set value (or if three low cards come and they both check i guess you know you're good) or shove to avoid getting outplayed post-flop

probably shove
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10-11-2009 , 06:24 PM
I shove, but it's probably no bargain.
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10-11-2009 , 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by DrazzicEhv
And just play for set value?

you dont have to set mine here. you're getting 3-1 on the button. that being said you can call and play poker. i think most players lose money calling here because they play poorly post flop (even if they're winning competent players, this is still a fairly common leak). i'm not used to playing with < 150 BB's but I think a shove folds some hands we want to fold and gets snap called by the three big pairs and AK, so with stacks sizes I think it's a shove especially since it's 6-max online which makes me think shoving is only a small mistake if it is a mistake at all. The only reason I wouldn't shove is if the BB plays straightforward tight ABC from the blinds, or if I was uncomfortable with the kind of variance that you'll experience shoving with TT here.

i think folding is pretty much out of the question getting 3-1 on the button and closing the action.

it's very stack size dependent here. i think i flat with 160 BB's here almost always, which is why shoving is probably only a small mistake if a mistake at all.
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