History is stork owning me a lot in the past. He's pretty tricky and has a pretty wide range for the flop c/r (air, 67, Kx including AK, etc...wouldn't be surprised if he c/r'd KT also, since this is a pretty floatable board for me).

I think the turn call is pretty standard, though if anyone thinks different feel free to bring that up. What scares me about the river is that he probably doesn't follow through on the turn w/o some sort of draw (diamonds, for example). Also, if he has a lower set and is trying to valuetown a king, why does he bet so enormous?

Full Tilt Poker Game #9217307144: Table Fro (deep 6) - $5/$10 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:24:28 ET - 2008/11/28
Seat 1: DrGiggy ($4,510.75)
Seat 2: DWade41 ($1,287)
Seat 3: Mizzles ($2,000)
Seat 4: HAAANH ($3,673.50)
Seat 5: Storkdelamork ($2,142)
Seat 6: GiveMeHell ($782.70)
Storkdelamork posts the small blind of $5
GiveMeHell posts the big blind of $10
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HAAANH [8s 8c]
DrGiggy folds
DWade41 folds
HAAANH raises to $35
Storkdelamork calls $30
GiveMeHell folds
*** FLOP *** [5c 4s Kd]
Storkdelamork checks
HAAANH has 15 seconds left to act
HAAANH bets $63
Storkdelamork has 15 seconds left to act
Storkdelamork raises to $190
HAAANH calls $127
*** TURN *** [5c 4s Kd] [8d]
Storkdelamork has 15 seconds left to act
Storkdelamork bets $300
HAAANH has 15 seconds left to act
HAAANH calls $300
*** RIVER *** [5c 4s Kd 8d] [7d]
Storkdelamork has 15 seconds left to act
Storkdelamork bets $1,617, and is all in
HAAANH has 15 seconds left to act
HAAANH has requested TIME

ez fold, river hits alot of your range and he still pushes for an overbet.

Yeah I think i'd have to fold as well.

yeah thats one of the worst river cards. i suppose he knows that, too, but still, it could be horrible for him and he's shoving.

i like it as played, as long as you call on non **** rivers

to ahnuld and pat, how do you think stork would size 44,55?

Hard to say. I don't know Storks game at all but that river card should not make him happy and it could hit King pretty hard. I expect to see a BD flush a lot here or the obvious 6.

really? I think it's more likely to hit his range more often then ours. I agree with whoever said that he likely picked up some sort of a draw on the turn to barrel again and the river would complete most of whatever he picked up. That said, I think villain realizes that its hard for you to have a flush and not incredibly likely for you to have a straight (although this is more of a possibility i think), so it makes for a great spot to fire.

I think tho that if villain had a flush/straight, he'd valuetown it much smaller hoping to get you to bluffcatch. Shove seems more bluffy.

if he's good, i'd fold the flop all day. and i'd fold the river.

/weak nit

call

def still has enough value that betting river makes zero sense.

How does the river hit our range? I think we almost never have diamonds and like the only time we have a 6 is if we have 67 or K6. Most of our range is like Kx,flopped 2 pr, 44, 55, 67, 66-QQ. And the Kd is on the flop so we cant have Kxdd.

Whether or not we should call river is too opponent dependent, but 88 is the very top of our range imo.

huh?

I can't find a fold here with your line, especially against a smart thinking player.

stork shouldnt be turning 44 or 55 into a bluff on the river, which this bet would turn them into.

so, he can make this bet with a 6, but not with 44/55?

I can't really see him checking 44/55 on the river, although he might choose a different betsize. But yeah, I don't know enough of his game to actually know.

i think he reallly wants you to call with your straight

which you dont even have

i once got berated by stork. it was a memorable day. he is lol.

prob fist pump call tbh...

Our hand looks like a naked king that can't call an overbet on this river (since, unlike what many of you said, I think it doesn't hit our range at all) and villain is obviously capable of doing spazzy ****. I would probably call.

call call call

meh, don't think its a bluff with those hands. do you think villian should c/f those hands? i think he should certainly bet them

call

my thoughts as well.

ya I called, he had 44. if someone cares to explain in depth please do. as far as I can tell there's not much reason for him to fire both turn and river without a hand that's valuetowning the river, so in retrospect I kinda feel like its a fold, though not for ahnuld's reasons

he's crazy if he takes this line with this hand against your perceived range - there is no explanation whatsoever unless it's a misclick

WAT?