iPoker - $10 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP+1: $1,149.75
CO: $1,620.24
BTN: $1,069.00
SB: $1,000.00
Hero (BB): $1,020.00
UTG: $1,027.00
UTG+1: $1,691.00
MP: $2,070.00

SB posts SB $5.00, Hero posts BB $10.00

Pre Flop: ($15.00) Hero has K 4

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $30.00, Hero raises to $90.00, SB raises to $240.00 - I don't have any stats on the guy since I was just taking a shot at these stakes but I know he is a confident reg and likes to start these tables a lot. On PTR he is a 12ptbb winner at over the 50k hands it has and seems like a sick good player + heater. Anyway I think he might 4bet bluff here since this is the third time at this table when I 3bet resteal from him. So do you flat here and try to take it away postflop even tho we are just 100bb deep? Or is this a standart fold and sometimes a 5bet for you after this little history?

K4 doesnt play well enough and is dominated too often to flat the 4b imo. Id rather ship if i think hes bluffing here a lot (which can be the case with these dynamics). But then again, villain is good enough to widen his value range accordingly.

As played id fold the flop, because you have havent even got a backdoor draw en the K might not be good.

ott; i would stab, because you cant take K high to showdown here imo. You can still rep a good range of hands. etc.

Looks fishy to me. Bad hand to go fps with, and also , if youre taking a shot and u judge opponent as "sick good player AND he´s folded to your previous 2 3b resteals AND u dont know how he plays, Id think again about doing this crap. I assume u either sucked out or got owned?

wow this is terrible.

Don't 3b, hes probably going to be playing back vs you a bit and K4s is a pretty shoddy hand to have to 5b, plus you can definitely flat his open profitably.

As played think about your range in his eyes for flatting such a large 4b. He is going to cbet bluff this board next to never imo so your float is really bad.

+1, why would you 3b in the first place ?

Yeah I see now that my play was pretty terrible ;P It's just something mental for me when it comes to 5/10 seems like the start for ultimate high stakes so I want to pull some **** off ;p

Suited king is the perfect hand to call a steal from SB..


EDIT: lol I don't even see what I am trying to represent there ;p

he's a big winner, you're not. this is his job at these stakes, you're just taking a shot.

so wtf are you doing trying to outplay this guy with a junk hand then???

yeah i would say the 3b pre and the flat on flop are somewhere between kinda bad and really bad.

if you're using K4s to 3-bet bluff with against a possible steal, then u probably should be folding to the 4bet, yes?

as played turn should be a shove
however all line seems fps and really bad, ESP. since villian is that good.

You guys still flat if SB opening range is ~10-15% in this spot?

No. But are there people that tight ?

Yes.

And to the question, ~15 % yes, ~10 % no.

Sometimes you just gotta get REAL hood on 'em. This play could be reasonable if be done for hoodEV if it was some nosebleed home game you wanted to get invited back into where nits aren't liked.

I don't see how the flat on the flop is bad at all, to be honest. And I'd definitely ship over the 4 bet rather than call.

Turn is really tough, not sure about that one

your making a play on a good player based on assumptions not reads . lol @ AJ tho .

AJ I hope you dont mind me quoting this old thread of yours to demonstrate hoodEV...(I was thinking of the "opening up your game" but saw this... lol)

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...best-ever-335/

OP see it's all about the ballz u got...

LOL, I forgot about that. Thank you <3

3betting Is obviously fine. But this guy put in a well sized 4b so you cant really call. So just fold. As stated you dont really have the information to 5b jam so wait for another spot and remember this hand.

K4s is definitely in the heart of my bluffing 3bet range against a decent reg. It has some playability postflop, but i'd much rather have K9s+ to at least dominate a few kings in his range... is that thought ******ed?

And if K4s is a standard call, what is your bluffing 3bet range looking like then?

Arghhhhh

Call pre!
Fold flop!
Bet turn!

3bet and call are both fine, fold pre, fold flop, bet small on turn

I don't mind 5bet-jamming pre although his 4bet sizing sizing looks pretty big.

Calling is ******ed.

yes that thought is ******ed because you shouldn't have any kings in his range dominated if he flats your 3bet, unless you worded your post incorrectly and meant you'd rather have at least k9 to flat pre in which case I tend to agree.

I think thats what he meant. And while I agree K4s could be flatted, its definitely better 3betting vs a very good reg. Once he 4bets everything else is 100% pure unadulterated full blown AIDS--@ least have a good backdoor bro. This isn't Rounders

There's no reason to raise at all with K 4 it's just not at all going to have any +ev unless you flop kings up or better hmmm not the smartest play IMO