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08-26-2009 , 09:57 AM
Call river? Fold river?

IPoker Network $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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UTG+2: $1.79
MP1: $4.78
MP2: $4.00
CO: $5.81
BTN: $1.02
SB: $5.63
BB: $2.31
Hero (UTG): $4.10
UTG+1: $6.11

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero is UTG with 8 A
Hero calls $0.04, UTG+1 calls $0.04, 6 folds, BB checks

Flop: ($0.14) 7 8 8 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.10, UTG+1 calls $0.10, BB folds

Turn: ($0.34) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $0.28, UTG+1 calls $0.28

River: ($0.90) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.30, UTG+1 raises to $1.80, Hero raises to $3.68, UTG+1 calls $1.88
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08-26-2009 , 09:59 AM
not raising all in on the river i guess....
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08-26-2009 , 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by kimos123
not raising all in on the river i guess....
Well yes..that's for sure. Calling or folding? what's better?
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08-26-2009 , 10:06 AM
Looks good to me...after he reraises on the riv I might just call him instead of the reraise b/c of the possibility of the possibility of a boat.
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08-26-2009 , 10:07 AM
I don't see anything wrong with this besides not betting bigger on the river. You're only beat by 77, 87, Q8, 82 and a badly played QQ or 22. That's a pretty small range if you think about all the other 8x hands he can have.

Think about it - if someone is going to show up with Q8 here they can show up with 98 through A8. There's a lot more combos of 8x hands that you beat than 8x hands that beat you.

If he has 77, meh, cooler, 3 combos that flop perfect. Don't miss value. You're ahead of his range.
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08-26-2009 , 10:09 AM
Limping UTG w/ A8.
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08-26-2009 , 10:09 AM
Fold Pre flop.
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08-26-2009 , 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by cabdo
Limping UTG w/ A8.
So I shouldn't limp UTG with suited aces and sc?
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08-26-2009 , 10:38 AM
Limping suited aces and connectors is fine if 1) you'll get paid when you hit, 2) nice stack-sizes, 3) everyone else is happy limping along (no light ISO'ing), 4) you aren't going crazy with 2pair hands.
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08-26-2009 , 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by BobStal
So I shouldn't limp UTG with suited aces and sc?
Certainly not UTG. It's fine in LP if there are a few people who have limped into the pot in front of you.

Otherwise raise them up in LP because they should definitely be part of your stealing range.
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08-26-2009 , 11:02 AM
Id be folding pre as many have suggested. My thoughts are this, if everyone was guartanteed to fold or call around then sure see what happens but in the long run you are going to lose money to people in position that are raising. Whats your move if some raises to .10 or .12? Do you still call? Over time you are going to lose money in this situation UTG.
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08-26-2009 , 11:20 AM
I hate the limp, especially from early position. Perhaps if the table is filled with limpers, then it's ok. I just don't see the point in playing those types of hands from EP. Even if you do hit the flush, it's not going to pay off that well. I usually like my suited hands to have some other redeeming quality as well since the flush rarely hits. Perhaps connectedness, perhaps broadway. To me, ace rag is best for late position steals and middle position semi bluffs against a nitty table. I guess it could work for an early position semi bluff as well, but you'd want to raise that. No problem with the river reraise. Depends on your read. A lot of people would overplay AQ.

I do like to play small pairs OOP, though. I think they are so well disguised that the implied odds are good no matter where you are. You have less "hiddenness" for connectors and even less for flushes.
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08-26-2009 , 11:48 AM
Fold or raise preflop, don't openlimp. In this case folding is probably best.

Flop and turn look fine.

Bet bigger on the river. This is a super fistpump shove IMO. You have his range crushed.
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08-26-2009 , 12:04 PM
I'd just fold pre. If you want to limp suited aces, I think that A8 is one of the worse to do it with. I'd rather limp A2s-A5s.
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08-26-2009 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DDAWD
I hate the limp, especially from early position. Perhaps if the table is filled with limpers, then it's ok. I just don't see the point in playing those types of hands from EP. Even if you do hit the flush, it's not going to pay off that well. I usually like my suited hands to have some other redeeming quality as well since the flush rarely hits. Perhaps connectedness, perhaps broadway. To me, ace rag is best for late position steals and middle position semi bluffs against a nitty table. I guess it could work for an early position semi bluff as well, but you'd want to raise that. No problem with the river reraise. Depends on your read. A lot of people would overplay AQ.

I do like to play small pairs OOP, though. I think they are so well disguised that the implied odds are good no matter where you are. You have less "hiddenness" for connectors and even less for flushes.
I actually was thinking he has full house, that's why I bet so small amount on the river - if he raises, I fold..but i was kinda tilting, called and then got smart enough to take break and read some strategies instead of playing while steaming..
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08-26-2009 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BobStal
I actually was thinking he has full house, that's why I bet so small amount on the river - if he raises, I fold..but i was kinda tilting, called and then got smart enough to take break and read some strategies instead of playing while steaming..
Please don't bet/fold this river.
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08-26-2009 , 02:32 PM
I fold this pre, and I just call his river raise.
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08-26-2009 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by AKSpartan
Fold or raise preflop, don't openlimp. In this case folding is probably best.

Flop and turn look fine.

Bet bigger on the river. This is a super fistpump shove IMO. You have his range crushed.
This^^

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Originally Posted by RapidEvolution
I'd just fold pre. If you want to limp suited aces, I think that A8 is one of the worse to do it with. I'd rather limp A2s-A5s.
and definitely this^^
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